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FiqiJin @ 2/2/2017 8:33 PM EST  topclan, Neither you nor I is selling a "faith" based argument here. It is not a matter of "belief." The $246 million budget figure is listed on the SFG Ministry of Finance website. It also breaks down how the money is spent, fine! But when it comes to where the money ( revenue) has come (under revenue) section, the website says its "coming soon." If the info. is not on the SFG MoF, then it is no where else! Are you telling me to just believe you or anyone on that? Come oooooon! I can tell you onething: Puntland doesn't need a stinking $4.5 million (peanuts) from Mogadishu. Puntland has its own budget and resources.       topclan @ 2/2/2017 7:14 PM EST  I can't even get into their website. You don't believe me, Uluso, Somali media, and I guess you don't believe in Somali ministers and MPs either? We know this is a fact. There isn't anyone who questions this except you.  The why wee keep going crazy about Mogadishu paying for the SFG and yet still getting scre-wed by the government is because of this fact. If am going to go and look for an unchallengeable proof, I need you to put something on line. If you are wrong about Mogadishu being the only source of the SFG's domestic revenue, you must admit that you have lied about everything else.     FiqiJin @ 2/1/2017 6:38 PM EST  Here is Jubbaland ministry of finance website which says it advises on revenue sharing with federal government. http://www.jubbalandmof.so/customs-and-taxation-department/     Topclan @ 2/1/2017 6:29 PM EST  Everyone knows that the SFG collects revenue from Benadir region, but I have not that it collects revenue from other regions. Do you know that it collects it from other regions? If so, do you have a prove? How can the SFG even collect revenue from other regions? It needs the local governments to collect it and give it to them. But that's not happening' as we all know. Mogadishu is the SFG's cash cow.     FiqiJin @ 2/1/2017 5:36 PM EST  I visited the SFG Ministry of Finance website, from which you got the $ 246 million budget money. On the website, however, it says (under Revenue section) the info. on where the revenue came from ( taxation and tariffs, inland and customs) is "coming soon." This is the government website that deals with this issue. I don't believe Uluso one second anymore than I do believe you.     topclan @ 2/1/2017 4:49 PM EST  FiqiJin "Do you realize that the $ 246 million budget includes all sorts of money, including money which came from regions in passport sales and customs taxes and tariffs" I am not sure if the SFG collects revenue from passports especially from other regions and even if it did I doubt that would even account for one percent of the budget. The SFG doesn't collect tariff or customs from other regions because it doesn't control them and the local administrations collect those and they don't give the SFG any money. "Don't forget, it also including money from Somalia air and sea space used by planes and ships." You're must be joking! You cannot be that daft, surely! The SFG doesn't control either of them and doesn't collect any money from them. They clearly state where the domestic revenue comes from as well as where the donor funds come from. If the other regions contributed to the budget, then it would be well known. Why would I lie about something like? I would welcome if they did contribute. I can't look through all SOF website. It's not stated where the domestic revenue is from but it is obvious. How can the SFG collect revenue from other regions when it doesn't even control them? What you're saying is the Gaas, Madoobe and Shariif Sakiin have generously given the SFG revenue. The only problem is that there is no evidence that they give any revenue to the SFG. Here's Uluso talking about. By the way, I didn't see you challenging it: http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2014/aug/56172/somalia_fiscal_budget_and_federal_government_legitimacy.aspx     FiqiJin @ 2/1/2017 3:33 PM EST  "The Domestic Revenue comes only from Benadir region, by the way." Bullcrap! Prove it!     FiqiJin @ 2/1/2017 3:30 PM EST  "Somali Federal government budget for 2016: $246 million dollars." What part of that says this is Mogadishu or H money. So, out of that, Puntland gets 4.5 million dollars. Peanuts, not to mention that Puntland contributes more money to that budget than they received! Passports alone for which puntlanders paid for in 2016 alone is most likely quadruple of the peanut money they received, $ 4.5 million. Remember the ministry of finance website somehow has not put out where this budget came from under Revenue. Curious!!! Do you realize that the $ 246 million budget includes all sorts of money, including money which came from regions in passport sales and customs taxes and tariffs. Don't forget, it also including money from Somalia air and sea space used by planes and ships. It is wrong for you to presume that this money came from Mogadishu or H alone. Don't just show me the budget, show me the revenue allocations!           topclan @ 2/1/2017 2:28 PM EST  The Domestic Revenue comes only from Benadir region, by the way. My position is that almost all Somali leaders have failed and they have been almost exclusively from the H and D clans. I have pin pointed what I think is the biggest obstacle to Somali progress and I have narrowed it down to these two: The duopoly of H and D clans and the electing of president by parliament. As everyone knows, the duopoly has created an unhealthy fixation for those two clans and has reduced the Somali state cronyism and conflict ridden. The electing of the president has made parliament an auctioning house and a black market. If we want a clean and hard working parliament, then we must stop it electing the president. Somali is and has always been right from the very beginning, as Somalis call it, a call box. The rot has been there right from the very beginning and by choosing to have parliament to elect the presiden, we have made a call box. The only way to stop from happening is stop parliament electing the president.     topclan @ 2/1/2017 2:11 PM EST  FiqiJin Somali Federal government budget for 2016: $246 million dollars 139.2 of that comes from domestic revenue. 107.1 comes from donor funds. Miisaaniyadda Dawladda Federaalka 2016 ee Baarlamaanka ansixiyey Maamul goboleedyada waxaa ugu jirta lacagahaan… Lacagta waxey ka imaaneysaa ilaah dhaqaalaha ee Gobolka Banaadir iyo deeqo dibadda ah sida ku cad docomentiga Maamul Goboleedyada dalka qaabkan ayay dhaqaalaha u kala helayaan iyadoo aysan sidoo kale la cadeynin qeybtii Dowladda dhexe ka heli lahayd degaanada ay maamulaan Maamul Goboleedyada ..!!! Puntland 4,500,000$ Interim Juba Administration 2,500,000$ Interim South-West Administration 1,500,000$ Interim Galmudug Administration – 1,500,000$ Mogadishu local government: 6,000,000$ Hiiraan Iyo Sh/Dhexe iyaga xisaabtaba kuma jiraan! Xafiiska Madaxtooyada, Raisul wasaaraha , Xafiiska Baarlamaanka waxay qorsheysteen 15 million dollar sanadka 2016. Wasaaradda Caafimaadka Dalka waxaa loo qorsheeyey Hal million dollar Xubnaha Baarlamaanka waxay qorsheysteen Mushaar ahaan 12 million dollar. http://mof.gov.so/appropriation-act-for-2016-budget/ http://wardoon.net/2016/02/akhri-dukumiinti-ku-cad-miisaaniyada-dowlada-federaalka-soomaaliya-ee-2016-iyo-dhaqaalaha-loo-qoondeeyay-maamul-goboleedyada/     topclan @ 2/1/2017 1:57 PM EST  FiqJin USC was made up of all Hawiye or at least vast majority of them, SSDF wasn't even harti, and SNM was made up only Isaaq and didn't include any other members of the Dir clan. I don't know the ins and outs of the clan militias but USC clearly didn't have a single command and only came together for the cause of overthrowing the Barre regime. When two or more equal sides clash, there isn't a clear winner and it ends in stalemate. SNM and SSDF didn't face any opposition on their own patch nor were they fighting to capture Mogadishu in order to rule the country. USC was not a single unit (You would only get that kind of unity in sub-clan level or sub-sub clan level), and even though they fought against Barre as one but every sub-clan was led by their own leaders. What you're saying is like the big fish in a small pond mentality. When you're the big fish in your small pond, it's much easier to rule than when you're one fish among similar sized fish in a big ocean. In Mogadishu, you have to swim with the big sharks. Ruling a big ocean isn't the same as ruling a small pond when you're the only big fish as the D clan(MJ) have found out. When were the D clan led by one leader? I must have missed that. Are you conflating one sub-clan with the rest of the D clan? Isaaq are good at leading Isaaq only, and Majeerteen are good leading Majeerteen only. Isaaq don't lead Dir and MJ don't even lead Harti let alone the whole D clan. How do you suppose they can lead all clans at the national level when they can't even lead Harti let alone their whole clan? So what if Abgaal cannot lead Habargidir and vice versa? Neither can MJ lead Harti let alone Sade. Comparing leading the whole H clan to leading Mj or Isaaq is very absurd. "But I understand what you mean about that. What you are saying is that why H seems to score the "villa Somalia presidency" easier than D with 4.5 formula!" That's not what I meant at all, you clannish man! Sheesh! I mean, how many leaders from D clan have being either the president or PM? Yusuf, CCC, Gaas, Saacid Abdiweilli and CCC again. What have they all done? Why didn't they show the good leadership that you say H don't have? These D clan leaders have failed just as much as the H clan leaders, but you're only focused on the latter because that's why you are clannish. An honest man would admit that both H and D clans have failed and that this sick duopoly must end if Somalia is to have any progress.     FiqiJin @ 2/1/2017 8:01 AM EST  "No, they go to Mogadishu with their empty buckets and leave when they've filled them up, then start bad mouthing Mogadishu and say how terrible it is." Really? So, everyone is going there to get Hawiye money? Faan waynaa!! Kkkk. So much generious H gold in Mogadishu, yet soldiers go without a pay for 7 months!!! If you are talking about the IC donations in the name of Somalia and the Somali people, then how is that Mogadishu money? You said before: whoever pays rules Mogadishu and Somalia, did you not? In that case, we should have EU and UN representatives ruling us! Don't you think so, for they foot the bills. Oh waite, Hawiye pays AMISOM soldiers? Lol! KKKK! "Your point is that Majeerteen and Isaaq are good clan leaders, which is exactly what I said." Exactly, yet, you don't have the brain to understand the implications of that. That is the difference between H and Isaaq and Majerteen. Don't you see! Here is the problem for all Somalis: How could people who cannot even lead its own one clan lead all Somali clans into a national platform? How could a people who canot govern one city govern a nation of hundreds of cities and towns? "The question that needs to be asked is why haven't D clan done better at the national level if they have good leadership?" What national level? There is not even Mogadishu in peace and under control, and you are taking about national nonses, imbecile!! But I understand what you mean about that. What you are saying is that why H seems to score the "villa Somalia presidency" easier than D with 4.5 formula! I give you that, but don't mistake clan elders' selection with "national"! Of course, there are reasons for that, one being in the minds of other clans that D had a long run of ruling and it is time others get a go on it. Fine! So, your Stupid, stupid clan, having instigated and sustained 2 decades of no rule in Mogadishu for city and the Somali state, keeps convincing Dirr clan to support you for the job, which you owe it to us. How long can H clan have chance after chance of the presidency and show no results. I can tell you onething, the Dirr clan had enough of that! Your number one problem is not the D clan, its your unceasing stupidity of not figuring out how to do it. My dear litle man, figure out how to secure Mogadishu first, before dream of bigger things!         topclan @ 1/31/2017 4:37 PM EST  FiqiJin Who, except Isaaq, doesn't believe in the Somali Union? Mogadishu may be the capital city of Somalia, but Puntland doesn't believe that and have tried but failed to change that fact. No, they go to Mogadishu with their empty buckets and leave when they've filled them up, then start bad mouthing Mogadishu and say how terrible it is. Cut the bull! We know they're not going to Mogadishu for a noble cause. It's not even about the prestige of being Somali leader, they're at Mogadishu for one thing and thing only: The money Take, for example, Faroole, he spent his entire life bad mouthing Mogadishu but now he goes there hoping to become, as Rasimal aptly puts it, the mayor of Mogadishu. There is no Somali state because there is zero contribution from other regions. It is only Mogadishu which is keeping this so called Somali government together. I wonder why they keep going to Mogadishu if it is so bad? You answer that they believe in Somali Union doesn't even come into. You claimed your gripe about the bad ldeadership by H clan was about the Somali state but that doesn't make sense since the D clan have also being bad leaders of Somali too. Your point is that Majeerteen and Isaaq are good clan leaders, which is exactly what I said. But you cannot claim that would translate into being good leaders at the national level, because the evidence, with respect to the D clan, shows it to be false. "do you not realize that I do so because of Somalia sovreignty and nationhood is inseperably linked to Mogadishu?" Hence why there is continued fighting there for more than two decades. Yet you can't grasp why it is more difficult to pacify Mogadishu than any other region in Somalia. This is clearly about competition rather than about leadership. Mogadishu is place where powerful forces came to battle for control. Barre, Aidid, Ali Mahdi, Yusuf, Ethiopian troops, Al-Shabaab, AMISOM and other warlords have battling for control. It is the centre of battle for power but no one could get control complete. How can you show leadership when can't get control of the city? You can only talk about leadership at the national level because the two clans states had no opposition as they are quite easily the dominant force in their states. That's not the case in most regions in Somali least of Mogadishu where many opposing sub-clans fought for power. Even the better at clan level requires understanding the dynamics which were at play. The question that needs to be asked is why haven't D clan done better at the national level if they have good leadership?     FiqiJin @ 1/30/2017 10:37 PM EST  Puntland has done so well, that is why they are running back to Mogadishu? And what about our brothers in the north, how well have they done? Achieved recognition yet? I don't need to defend Puntland, but it is no secret that they believe in the union of Somalia; and since Mogadishu is still the capital city, they go there holding their noses. What is there in Mogadishu to be gained for anyone these days, other than perchance, most likely, meeting your maker in useless violence! Puntland, among others from outside Mogadishu, lost MPs to unchecked violence there, like it happened few days ago! Somaliland and Puntland both have provened they got an aptitude for governing themselves since 1991. Mogadishu is still as wild as ever!! Abdiweli Gaas runs a whole region! that is not something to sneeze about! By the way, you couldn't be anymore wrong in your claim that your H clan holds the balance of power! On the contrary, it is my Dirr which holds that balance, and for some unkown reason to me, they keep backing you up for the presidency! How about you backing up a Dir ( someone like Duale Bayle or an Isaq) for the presidency this time around! That would mean you taking a break from stupidity--a good move for the whole Somali nation. But it will also mean secrificing for any top position, as the Ds will likely get the PM slot! You accuse me of being clanish, because I rightly blast your clan's unending incompetency! 2 things: (1) do you not realize that I do so because of Somalia sovreignty and nationhood is inseperably linked to Mogadishu? (2) do you really think I would have gone there again and again had you (H clan) done the job? What other clan is fighting you in Mogadishu, of which you could say is the reason Mogadishu is still ungovernable? Since 1960, Mogadishu is an H city more than ever before. It has been that way since 1991! Should you not take credit for its insecurity? Is it not correct that I Mogadishu is the capital city of Somalia, and Mogadishu is not escure, then the Somali State is also not secure! That is exactly the situation! And who should I blame for that, other than the clan there?   Old chap, this is the last time I will bother responding to your responses! I mean you don't defend against my charges, which proves I am right about your failures. Am I lying about your clan? You have yet to govern Mogadishu successfully, am I wrong about that?     topclan @ 1/30/2017 2:09 PM EST  FiqiJin Who is rehashing the same the nonsense ad infinitum? I refer everyone to the first comment at the bottom. My comment was in response to your comment. True, my response isn't new but your comment to a great article was the usual clannish nonsense. It's not boasting. I am stating facts. The clan you're calling clueless has your clan playing second fiddle and is also paying for the "Somali" government. If you're denying an obvious fact about who pays for Somali government, then everything else you're saying is clearly false too. Puntland has done well and Somaliland has done well, they live happily ever after. But that's not really how it turned out, is it? Puntland has done so well, that is why they are running back to Mogadishu? And what about our brothers in the north, how well have they done? Achieved recognition yet? It seems USC were right in their believe that power lies in Mogadishu and whoever controls it has the power in Somalia. You talk about H clan and how they are poor leaders. The D clan have also been leaders and they failed, so why are you griping about H clan only? I mean, are Yusuf, CCC, Gaas, Saacid, Abdiwelli from H clan? When the only good leader from D clan you can point is the murderous and clannish dictator Barre, that doesn't say much for your shouting nonsense about H clan. Somali has been led by the duopoly of H and D clan and to pretend that it is just the bad leadership by H clan is ridiculous. You can talk about how USC's thirst for power(To say nothing of SSDF and SNM who started the overthrow of Barre) has caused mayhem in Mogadishu and halted any progress in Somalia. Those are clan militias, but Somalia leadership is a duopoly of H and D clan. You cannot complain about H clan leadership when D clan are there with them and have also failed. You can maybe say that D clan(specifically Majeerten because Puntland is Majeerteen) and Isaaq are better leaders than H clan at clan level. At the nation level, though, H and D clan have both failed while Isaaq and other clans have not much of an opportunity.     FiqiJin @ 1/29/2017 9:26 PM EST  Forget about Somalia. How many Hawiye presidents it will take to figure out how to pacify and effectively control Mogadishu? We can try it one after another, until judgement day, and the result is same o same o! It has been so far!     FiqiJin @ 1/29/2017 9:18 PM EST  Correction: Here is who pays the salaries of so-called Somalia government: https://horseedmedia.net/2015/10/03/somalia-signs-wage-agreement-with-world-bank/     FiqiJin @ 1/29/2017 9:08 PM EST  Topclan, Far be it from me to rehash the same with you again and again. Nothing new you comeback with other than your usual empty boasting of having agained (your clan) something! If you controled anything (most of all power), I wouldn't be shouting "incompetent H" time and time again. Your clan has not done anything, not for itself or for Somalia since 1991, other than lay waste! The world has poured billions of dollars, put tens and thousands of African military and trained thousands of Somali soldiers. Yet, even Villa Somalia is not secured as I type this; forget about the rest of Mogadishu! Why? It is simple, stupid leadership! How pathetic you claim pride! For what? Only the stupid can be proud of miserable failure! Had your clan governed, there wouldn't have been any recriminations--not from me or anyone, for success speaks for itself!   Hawiye pays for the government? Hogwash!! The fact is 3 EU (Scendinavian) governments pay 80% of so-called government salries--only to be pocketed by few corrupt in Mogadishu. Last 7 months, soldiers and civil servants, including the parliament, have not been paid. Topclan, you are full of it. Pathetic small H! Please don't mention Aqyaarta Puntland to distract people of your clan's glaring incompetence! Also, don't mention Jaalle Siyad, for no presodsent has done more for H and Mogadishu! Stew in that!!!!!     topclan @ 1/29/2017 2:35 PM EST  FiqiJin   Nah! I think this is more truthful: As long as people insist that their clan should rule or that other clans cannot rule because of what ever reason(insert your own clanish reasoning), Somalia will not progress! There is no national agenda in Somalia. How could there be when there are too many clan agendas competing? Oh, the glory of Mogadishu under Barre! It was glory for some but not for many. You Puntlanders are so proud of your accomplishment, why is it that you're still desperate to come to Mogadishu? Somalia will revive again but it will not return to the way it was. That ship has sailed. You're obsessed with Mogadishu and the past. You've tried but everyone knows by now that there is no Somalia without Mogadishu. It's a bit weird then that it is the clueless Hawiye who control the balance of power in Somalia, isn't it? Or the fact they feed your parasite MPs? The money collect from Mogadishu is spent on other regions but they don't  give a dime to Somali government. Let's the state the bleeding obvious: There is no Somali government, it is Hawiye government dressed up as a Somali government. You want proof of that fact? Who pays for Somali government and which clan inhabits the areas it rule? The Isaaq have their own president, Puntland, Jubaland and SouthWest the same. The one in Mogadishu is called Somali president but he really only rules Hawiye and only they pay for the government. The Somali president can only be Hawiye since only Hawiye pay for the Somali government. I want Farmaajo to be president and he might be the only non-Hawiye acceptable to be president of Mogadishu, but others do not stand a chance and are wasting their time. Hawiye hold the balance of power in Somalia, so what is your plan? Name calling!     topclan @ 1/29/2017 2:17 PM EST  Nuunow You've not mentioned the crucial difference between you and Kenedid. You believe the condition is irredeemable but he believes it's absolutely treatable. While he and many Somalis believe that it is our collective inaction as well as clan loyalty which has enabled these bad leaders, you believe the condition is so deep rooted that it's irredeemable. It isn't strictly true that every nation gets the governemnt it deserves. It helps the point Kennedid is trying to making or the point you were trying making but it isn't strictly true. If one takes this it a bit further, you might say that the poor and the disabled deserve what they get. If one has the ability to change its condition then should change its condition. The condition is changeable and it is people like you who say it is inherent in an attenpt to justify bad leaders.     wiifgarow @ 1/29/2017 10:05 AM EST  Respect to Mr Heikal. he is one of only tow contributors to this site I a\m unabl to identify their clan from the first paragaraph of their dirge. that is how transparently clannish we all are. It is the dihonesty and the disingenuity of fau nationalism/patriotism/objectivity that jars as well as amuses. Anyway well done to you again Mr Heikal. TBC     Nuunow @ 1/29/2017 4:27 AM EST   “Every nation gets the government it deserves ... ” Spot on indeed, and well done! Simple, yet far too sophisticated for the small-minded simpletons to comprehend?     FiqiJin @ 1/27/2017 2:35 PM EST  As long as people who have proven to be the least capable of ruling insist of ruling, Somalia will not progress! It is no secret Mogadishu is the mother of Somalia disasters ongoing. Ever since Mogadishu was transferred from a capital of a Somali Nation to a clan city, you know which clan, the clan and all its elites there cannot even rule their city--forget about moving a national agenda forward in Mogadishu. I dare say: Hawiye has no clue on how to govern, not even one city Mogadishu! This is one of the most insecure and least educated clan of all Somali clans! The question is, having had so many chances to rule and failed, is Hawiye willing to step aside and let those who are capable to rule rule? Look at Sheikh Shariif trying to be a president again, when he should have never been anything more than "Dugsi Quraan" teacher! How long is Hawiye going to waste all Somali time to mend, heal and refashion a State!

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