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wiifgarow @ 5/18/2015 9:04 AM EST  Tops Sorry for intruding into your internecine wallaweyn punch-up with Fiqi, but your claim that we should condem all clans equally or not condemn them at all needs some rethink. For example, Digils and Benadris have never harmed anyone or attacked a single other clan or destroyed a single building. Daaroods did all those things. Hawiyes did it and pulled it too and pulled out the copper wiring. So not all clans are equally condemnable. No carry on with the punch-up please. We want blood on the wallaweyn dust(since you have no carpets)     topclan @ 5/17/2015 8:18 PM EST  not rac-ist because he doesn't care about his colour or any other colours. You don't care about clan but you will attack a clan? If a person was serious about not being rac-ist or clannish, they would treat all races or clans the same way. You either condemn them all equally or you don't condemn any of them. There is no way to justify singling out a clan or race for criticism, it is blatant discrimination. "As a Somali, nothing would have made happier than your clan militia effectively taking over just Mogadishu administration from Siad Barre." The overthrow of Barre regime wasn't simply about ousting brutal dictator, it was about power. "Darood hegemony--Darood subjugated the whole country under their rule( I do not agree with that)--you keep saying." What a surprise! Well, we wouldn't expect those who did the subjugation to agree that they did what they did. It's not a new phenomenon for any leader and especially a dictator to give power to his clan, it is a way of making sure he maintains power. It happens in Somalia so much that it's not even worth a debate. "when your rival clan Darood (according to you) was controlling every clan and every city and village of Somalia for 22 years?" Tell me what has Darood been doing for the last 23 years? Barre regime ruled when there was a concept of nationhood and togetherness, in the early years he consolidated the goodwill of the people but all that was destroyed and when it started to wrong he tightened his grip and began his brutality. When you have the right conditions some things are possible but if you don't have the right conditions, it can be very difficult if not impossible. You always miss out the part about Barre regime, it was a dictatorship. I think everyone knows that a militia cannot match military dictatorship when it comes to controlling a country. A dictatorship cannot be created as easily as you think, Barre needed a lot of support from both inside and outside the country to gain and maintain his power. Perhaps you think by blaming Hawiye it will absolve D clan of its sins? "Gee, could it possibly have something to do with your clan killing the Somali State by looting and turning Mogadishu ( the capital of a nation) into wasteland!" What about actually killing the state by killing people? Is your whole interest about buildings destroyed and properties stolen? What about the people killed by a murderous regime? All you are doing is keep proving that your whole obsession is about the power and wealth your clan lost. All USC did was to loot the loot. "Well, the Darood ( your life's obsession) had at least ruled the whole nation for at least 22 years" So much for denying the clan hegemony under Barre. You try to deny when it suits you, but you can't help boasting about it. Anyway, 7 years of democratic and legitimate rule is better than 22 years of dictatorship propped up by the soviet Union first and then later the US. Perhaps it would have been better to have levelled building and massacre people in order to rule or continue to rule. All USC did was to loot the loot.     wiifgarow @ 5/16/2015 10:18 AM EST  Fiqijin I dont think it is wise for you to go down the 'honesty' road boyo. Lets leave it at that shall we..my Dir cousin? Anyway Somaliland being a different country is a staement of historical fact. somaliland and Somalila were never one country ever bbefore midnight 1st july 1960. Thsi was follwoed by 30 years of abuse by the South and now Somaliland is back on its own and neither God nor the devil nor CIA arms and cash nor EU money and skullduggery nor over-eaten Ugnadan soldiers will ever make Somaliland return. Brothesr like Uluso do really need to grow up and realise this fact. We will all get along after that.     wiifgarow @ 5/16/2015 10:14 AM EST  Abdi shukur and Tops You are being a littel over sensitive gents. The term Wallaweyn has nothing to to do with the twon itself or its gentle people. It is about Southern Somali treachery of Somalilanders. But it si all done in good humour. If you dont believe me ask any old Wallaweyn!     topclan @ 5/15/2015 4:49 PM EST  FiqiJin If Hawiye is the biggest losers, why have you been grumbling for two decades? Hawiye are more sure of themselves and don't go bleating about what has been done to them. Some people are stuck in the past. It must quite depressing obsessing about the best past and things you can never change. Unlike you, I am looking forward and even though I am critical of our leaders, I see a better future for Somalia. Can you see the reason why other clan militias didn't loot their own cities? You don't loot your own but to loot someone else's, now that is different. USC were in the capital city where the wealth of other clans, especially D clan, were. The looting wasn't the real problem, it was the violence. But then you are more interested in lost wealth than lost lives. "You don't get that, cause you possess the very rotten brain which allowed that." If someone has a rotten brain which causes them to do bad things, why do you blame? Surely, a person with a defect brain is a victim of biology themselves and hence cannot be blamed for their actions. Saying a whole clan has a rotten brain is testimony to your own shortcoming in the grey matter. You have to move away from your clan bashing if you want to base your argument on facts. You can really only blame individual within a clan because they are ones who committed misdeed not their whole clan. Even though in Somali culture the whole clan takes the blame when a member of its clan commits a misdeed, it's not correct to say the whole clan committed the misdeed. "Mohammed Siyad and his administration was an ardent law and order stickler. If you are referring to the rampant corruption of Siyad government, that I would have loved for you to have done exactly the same--meaning to run a government, all be it a corrupt government. That is not what you did or you were capable of doing." Well, Barre had a very strong military force and used it terrorise people. How could USC do that when the war to oust Barre was about stopping clan hegemony? You think other clans who ousted Barre regime would have allowed them? You are dreaming up things that just don't make any sense! People were patient in those days before the fall of Barre regime but not anymore, that is why they want their clan enclaves.     abdi mashkuur @ 5/12/2015 12:36 PM EST  Tops It is official Wanlawayn represents all somalis and brother WIIf just is as usual on auto-pilot and tongue tied to our wonderful city. As you said it is fantastic and peaceful city which to all doesn't deserve the attack from WIIFOOS. Today I am sure he is in a shame mood, with little vocabulary, doesn't know what to say. A good man would have said sorry WALLAWAYN "WANLAWAYN" mother of Somalis,mother of all.     topclan @ 5/11/2015 8:10 PM EST  Ali Nasrullah Uluso come up with gems like that, it really sums them up perfectly. Well, they might call themselves regional leaders but they are in reality Ethiopian puppets. This is just warlords dressed up to be something they are not, Gass is the only one who has some legitimacy from the people they claim to represent. It is a new Somali warlordship forum.     topclan @ 5/11/2015 8:05 PM EST  Wiif In a time of peace, Somalis have always lived peacefully among other clans. There are Daroods and other clans including in Mogadishu right now.  abdi mashkuur   It turns out my family is from Wanlaweyn, Lower Shabelle. I don't know why Wiif keeps picking on it, it a wonderful place.     rasimaal @ 5/11/2015 3:32 PM EST  "It is time for the international community to respond to the realities and needs of the Somali people and leave aside foreign driven social and political transformation"ain't that the truth but most Somalis are like kids these days they follow what they are told not lead their own ajenda i.e they are fighting over 4.5 and clan federalism, they even don't know who introduced that system.when was the last time you heard Somali driven ajenda?.     abdi mashkuur @ 5/11/2015 12:22 PM EST  Wiif Vs Wallawayn! Widaayoow Daafeed dhiiga in kijirto. And Wallawayn respects him, Ok I get it. You have no enough vocabulary to describe them, I will hep you here. Call them Soomaali!     FiqiJin @ 5/11/2015 8:24 AM EST  Wiif, "I genuinely fail to understand why a boy from Mhadday Dhiiqo or wherever Mr Uluso hails from will be so obsessed by the destiny of what and always has been a genuinely foreign country." Kkkkkkkk!! It must be one of those days you deliberately choose to be absolutely dishonest. Considering that it was your clan which actually created Somalia by insisting on reunification and a one country called Somalia. Of course, it was your forefathers which did that. If you were different in anyway, from the rest of Somalis that is, you would have already achieved your dumb fantasy of separating from your own kind! Fat chance that will ever happen! You are a province of Somalia, just like your ancestors designed it!       wiifgarow @ 5/11/2015 8:01 AM EST  As for the visit of Mr Kerry. Obama administration at its worst. The man promised more guns to Somalia. Guns and bases and drones have the biggest and most visible cobntribution the Obama adminsitration has made to Africa. That and encouraging dictators by mercenarising National armies like the Ugandan and kenyan ones. They completely abandoned any attempt at encouraging democracy and good governance as symbolised by Kerry's visit to Kenya and Djibouti. Obama has been the worst US president Africa has ever known. I will be very happy to see the back of him.       wiifgarow @ 5/11/2015 7:56 AM EST  I fail to understand this Wallaweyn obessesion with somaliland. This writer, for example, is desperately trying to make Somaliland sound like all the other petty little adminsitration in his hoem country of Somalia. I genuinely fail to understand why a boy from Mhadday Dhiiqo or wherever Mr Uluso hails from will be so obsessed by the destiny of what and always has been a genuinely foreign country. The ill-fated union of 1960 such sderved to highlight the enormity of the cultural, social and economic differences of these two neighbours. Time to grow out of this obsession Mr Uluso et al.     FiqiJin @ 5/11/2015 2:00 AM EST  Abdalla Ali, On what planet do you live on? Somalia is not a sovereign country yet. This meeting is one of many of world attempts to encourage governance. Under a normal circumstance, Kerry would have met the president and the foreign minster of Somalia. He is the first US Secretary of State ever visited Mogadishu--at a time when Somalia is in the midst of a process to standup again a government there. That is why he met with these regional leaders also!     Erigavo @ 5/11/2015 12:02 AM EST  Uluso has lost all points to reason coherently and convey valid and sound arguments. His articles seem to gather data selectively and from disparate and unreliable sources without logic and without convincing interpretation of events. I am sorry my friend!     Erigavo @ 5/10/2015 11:59 PM EST  Uluso has lost all points to reason coherently and convey valid and sound arguments. His articles seem to gather data selectively and from disparate and unreliable sources without logic and with convincing interpretation of events. I am sorry my friend!     abdi mashkuur @ 5/10/2015 4:05 PM EST  Issak You look like an old man in your picture but your comments(bakhtiga) are simply BABY talk. World has moved on, so please any more comments like this put in the "RUBBISH BIN", There is no "cadow",but we're all Somalis.     abdi mashkuur @ 5/10/2015 3:57 PM EST  Mr Ulusso This is where you were missing all along, "a fair helpful comment without asking people to join you swimming in a mud". This is so pragmatic and I hope is a turnaround  and a new-found pragmatism, ANY HELPFUL COMMENTS/CORRECTION is welcome because it is in short supply. Thank you

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