Go Back

Post your comments

45 comment(s)

Add comments

topclan @ 2/3/2015 3:40 PM EST  Ahmed Said What an irony to call him Sayid, a man who had actually led foreigners in the invasion of our country. He is known as Ahmed Madoobe and he sells charcoal illegally in Kismayo. From now on he will be known as Ahmed Charcoal or the charcoal king. I was mistaken in saying that Jubbaland is not diverse, it is probably the most diverse region in Somalia. The reason why I said Jubbaland and SW3 should be one state is because SW3 will be less diverse on its own but if it joined with Jubba it will be more diverse and will still have historical connection too. My constructive comments go way over your head but any comment which has a tinge of tribalism you jump on it quickly. You are not interested in anything which doesn't support your clan interests. My last few comments which attacked your clan enclave, I got the reflex response. Your whole responses can be summed in one sentence: Leave my clan enclave alone.     topclan @ 2/2/2015 8:24 PM EST  Ahmed Said Look behind you, there's Somaliland, Khatumo and Mudug. Is it over yet? Have you settled your differences with any of them yet? Oh, you're still chasing your tail!     topclan @ 2/2/2015 8:17 PM EST  Ahmed Said "Can you tell why north Mudug should join clan enclave of south-central where they are smaller and will be given little power as you put it? Can you see the irony? " I am not speaking for me personally, but what I think is the problem for others. In this case, why it was a problem for Galmudug to join Puntland. This is why I think they refused but they could have a different reason, who knows. You are right to point out the irony but it works both ways. There are both clan enclaves therefore, they will not want to join a state that makes them less powerful. This is thinking of the clan states but I am not supporting this plan. Just because I understand their thinking doesn't mean I support it. I expose their plan and I give a different solution. The reason I said there should be just four federal state is to as few as possible and make sure the federal states are as diverse as possible. The regions I put together have historical connection and are diverse(different clans) too. "Of course you can divide one of 18 regions according to the constitution. According to the constitution, two or more regions can form federal state. “Laba gobol iyo wixii ka badan”= 2,5 or 3..." But it clearly states in the constitution that each of the 18 regions chooses which other region it wants to join, therefore how can Mudug divided? Half a region or a town cannot choose two join a region, only a full region can make that decision. "You have special problem with Jubbaland and Puntland to become federal states and intact" I have a problem with clan states. The regions in Jubbaland and especially Puntland are less diverse than Somaliland and also have less historical connection. I would like to make the federal state which will comprise Hiiraan, Middle Shabelle and Banaadir more diverse but it doesn't seem possible. You try making them states as diverse as possible while also keeping their historical connection. We need diverse states not clan states but you don't seem to be keen on giving up your clan state. I see two options: Either every clan controls its own town and we have clans competing for eveything or we have diverse regions where every clan has a say. Puntland has been around for a long time and also only one clan lives there so it is more settled than Jubbaland. Yet Puntland's is still not settled let alone Jubbaland. In the north Puntland is claiming the same territory being claimed by both Somaliland and Khatumo while in the Mudug is yet to be settled. I can see clearly that it's a long way from being over. In Jubbaland, Ahmed Madoobe and Kenyan troops don't make a federal state either. You are deluding yourself if you think that clan federalism will get you what you want. Clan federalism will give only division and clan conflict. No one in Somalia can prosper by playing clannish games because there are more clans than you and they can play it too.     topclan @ 2/2/2015 5:12 PM EST  Ahmed Said There was no such thing as federalism in Somalia when Puntland was formed in 1998, it was created by Harti especially Majeerteen. How could Galmudug join a clan enclave ? It refused because Puntland is a clan enclave and Puntland is a much bigger enclave so it would have been given little power. "why north Mudug whom their leaders created Puntland must leave from Puntland which they were part of in almost 18 years. It doesn’t make sense." Because it is against the (provisional) constitution to break up any of the 18 regions as they were in 1991 that will make up federal member states. I mean, Puntland was one of the authors of the constitution and the leader of the federalism agenda, I thought that they would know that. "Shabelle, Bay, Bakool, Lower Jubba, Middle Jubba and Gedo to become one state? This is huge area to administrate from city as regional administration." It's not too big to administer, instead of looking for a shortcut and dividing the regions into clan enclaves they will be forced to work together to create a united administration based on justice and equality. We can't succeed if we wont work together. "We have already problems in power sharing in Jubbas+Gedo and we will wait and see if other three can build administration accepted by all." The problem is that the IJA is not an administration let alone one based on power sharing, it only controls Mismayo which has the sea and airports where they make lucrative money by illegally selling charcoal. I believe in solving the problems but it seems Some people are happy to leave it or find it too hard to solve so look for the easy solutions that solve nothing and only create more problems. The problem of clan hegemony is not just in national government but in local government too. There's been no central government to enforce the current administrations of Somaliland and Puntland on power sharing and give justice to their regions but a central government will be able to make sure the administrations to do that. I would also put in an opt out option so that regions have the option of leaving their administration and either join another state or stand alone if it's possible.     topclan @ 2/2/2015 3:32 PM EST  The Arab autocracies in the Gulf should all fall in another Arab spring. The worst are Saudi Arabia and UAE. Qatar, I take my hat off! Thank you for Al-Jazeera.     topclan @ 2/2/2015 3:26 PM EST  stickorcarrot   "Can you define for us what "terrorism' mean to you? What it means to the west?" For me terrorism is any huge act of violence against innocent civilians regardless who commits it, whether they are an individual, group or state. The violent action against innocent people by the Egypt military after the overthrow of MB is the definition of terrorism. "How do you see the Palestine issue?" I support the resistant group Hamas, the PLO is too close to Israel to represent the interests of Palestinians. There should be a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders and Hamas and other groups should then renounce violence. "Do you consider Asisi's election a legitimate one?" It depends, if you considered his coup legitimate you probably think his "election" was legitimate too, but if you think his coup was illegal then you probably think his coronation was illegal too.     topclan @ 2/2/2015 2:34 PM EST  Fiqijin I question your interpretation of evil. I think what you and some people call evil is just something you disagree with or are not willing to understand. The massive hypocrisy is jarring! I think even in deep delusion, the anti-MB are not all so stupid that they don’t know they’re swimming in a sea of hypocrisy. "They are in Saudi, UAE and Qatar terror list." Qatar? You must be joking! Both Qatar and Turkey support Muslim Brotherhood. "MB has tried to change the rules abruptly and at the expense of the real power in Egypt, which is the military." Any powerful establishment which loses power suddenly will react as the Egypt military and police did. But this isn't the first time that this kind of thing happened. In Turkey, where the military like in Egypt had ruled the country for decades was reluctant to relinquish power and had for years continued to intervene any time it thought its authority was challenged. Let's not talk about the sad story of Algeria's first democratically elected government. The Egypt military has been sponsored by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE to carry out the overthrow of the democratically elected MB government. The difference is the Turkish military was not sponsored by Arab autocracies who see Egypt as the battleground against threat of Islamic democracy. "Partly, their downfall was as a result of their dictatorial designs, to impose their will in a country, where half of the people, if NOT the majority ,are not with the MB. Now they are banned." Are you talking about Egypt military or MB? Which political party has the support of the majority or even half of the population? The best anyone can do is to win the majority of the votes in an election, the majority of the population is different thing altogether. No one in Egypt can dispute the support of the military unless they want to end up in prison or dead. "Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's Justice and Development Party (AKP), to me, is the current model of political Islam." Well, your current model of political Islam supports the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB are not as professional as AKP but then they don't have the vast experience the AKP gained over the years. They lacked political maturity which is why they weren't even able to safe themselves because they thought the military was bluffing.     stickorcarrot @ 2/2/2015 12:03 PM EST  @Fiqijin, Topclan, Can you define for us what "terrorism' mean to you? What it means to the west? How do you see the Palestine issue? How do you see Arab regimes? By that I mean, the Gulf. Do you consider Asisi's election a legitimate one? Perhaps answering these questions will spare you from this back & forth argument.     FiqiJin @ 2/2/2015 7:40 AM EST  I never compared MB to the Nazis or Hitler. You were touting their election democratically. To that, I was saying that in history bad people were elected democratically, i.e. Hitler and his Nazi Group. Sometimes, elected democratically is not be all and end all. That was it. The MB are evil, but not the level of Nazi Germany. At the time of the Nazi rule, Germany was a the most powerful country in the world. MB is an organization of small time thugs. They, in the past, engaged in terrorism inside Egypt. The brain of Al-Qaeda, as middle eastern experts pointed out, are Egyptians of MB. They finally gained power, but then they had no clue how to govern a country like Egypt. As one of the oldest civilizations, only the military can impose its will on the people there, as it has for decades. MB has tried to change the rules abruptly and at the expense of the real power in Egypt, which is the military. Partly, it was because of inexperience to run a country. MB is good at running soup kitchens. Partly, their downfall was as a result of their dictatorial designs, to impose their will in a country, where half of the people, if NOT the majority ,are not with the MB. Now they are banned. They are dismantled. They are in Saudi, UAE and Qatar terror list. Their is your beloved Muslim Butcherhood of Egypt.       topclan @ 2/1/2015 12:59 PM EST  Fiqijin It's not just about comparing someone you are debating with Nazism or Hitler, it is simply to make any comparison using them. Your comparison isn't only that the MB were elected like the Nazis but that they are evil too. You then stated it as a fact. I maintain that they might have been elected like Nazis but they are nothing like the Nazis. You can't just compare them to Nazis or called them evil because that is not how you make a case and win an argument. It's just lazy to compare someone to Nazi or Hitler, but if you want to win an argument you have to show evidence and logical argument.     topclan @ 2/1/2015 11:37 AM EST  Fiqijin "They are evil" What proves their evilness? Your comparison of MB to Nazi was done for this effect. The only clear example you used was the assassination of Sadat which happened more than 40 years ago. Even if they did commit crimes in the past, are their crimes worse than the ones that take place in all the Arab autocracy? There is a lot of fallacy in your arguments: I said the world recognised the Muslim Brotherhood as the first democratically elected government in Egypt so the claim they are terrorists has no validity. You said Hitler was elected too. When you mentioned that Hitler was elected too, I thought you meant the MB will become evil. The fact that you mentioned that Hitler was democratically elected and he was evil in order to win the argument means you have lost the debate. But by saying the MB were evil even before they were elected, you have not answered the question: Why did the world recognise them as democratically elected? You sent us on a detour talking about how the NAZI were elected too but what you are saying now is that the world knew the MB were evil and yet recognised them as democratically elected government? I don't know whether the world recognised Hitler as a democratically elected but the NAZIs did not commit their evil crimes before they were elected. That is why I said become evil after they were elected to power because some people had claimed the MB would. It may have been possible to fool the world in the 1930's but the world has changed greatly that we know about individuals let alone countries and groups. Anyway, world leaders know more  about any group especially the MB than you and I know and they have accepted the MB as a democratically elected government and not only world leaders. But it wastn't only world leaders, their opponents in Egypt accepted it too. There is no debate about that. The debate about MB, and you eluded to it earlier when you said they weren't recognised as democrats, was whether they governed in a democratic way. And we should debate that calmly without denying they had earned the right to govern or calling them evil. Instead of a calm debate, the MB were demonise and became evil over night. The result was: the Egypt military came and took what they think is their and with it any hope of democracy in Egypt for the foreseeable future.     FiqiJin @ 1/31/2015 6:22 PM EST  You still don't get Godwin's Law. My point about MB was not they could be evil. They are evil, and history proves that sometimes, an evil group or leader could be elected democratically. That was my point. So don't be so impressed by their election. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's Justice and Development Party (AKP), to me, is the current model of political Islam. The Arabs has yet to find the very formula which the apostle of Allah (SAW)implemented in Medina for a multi religious and cultural society. This is because militancy theology has infiltrated and has somewhat taken root in much of Arab society.     topclan @ 1/31/2015 1:52 PM EST  "National (Federal) issues my President Hassan regional issues my president Gaas, I see no conflict between the two." You don't see the conflict? really??? You don't see the confusion of having two presidents? Where in the world is there a country which has two presidents?     topclan @ 1/31/2015 1:15 PM EST  Fiqijin It is not used when someone is accused of acting dictatorial, that is Hitlerism or Napoleon complex rather than "Godwin's Law". Zami said that the MB are terrorists, I corrected him and said actually they were democratically elected and recognised as such by the world, then you said Hitler was elected too. You can make a comparison to Hitler and the NAZI party if it is valid but the point you were trying to make was that because the MB wer democratically elected like Hitler and NAZI party, they too could be evil. Becasue if that wasn't the point you were trying to make then there is no reason why you would choose Hitler and NAZI comparison when you could chosen other democraticallt elected leaders and parties. Here's the meaning of "Godwin's Law": Godwin’s Law is an internet adage that is derived from one of the earliest bits of Usenet wisdoms, which goes “if you mention Adolf Hitler or Nazis within a di-scu-ssion thr-ead, you’ve au-tom-at-ica-lly ended what-ever dis-cus-sion you were ta-king part in.” "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches, that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism." "Godwin's Law" is cool because it demands people to come up with good argument instead of lazily relying on comparison to someone or something considered bad.     topclan @ 1/31/2015 12:02 PM EST  Zami Look at what your hero Sisi(ISIS) has been doing to Palestinians and the resisitent group Hamas since he came to power by overthrowing Hamas's ally Mursi, the first democratically elected president of Egypt, in a bloody coup: Egypt and Israel are tightening the rope around Hamas' neck: www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.624235 Egypt Destroys 60 Tunnels, 800 Homes – Where is the: unitedwithisrael.org/egypt-destroys-60-tunnels-800-homes-where-is-the-... Egypt army destroys 13 more Gaza tunnels: news.yahoo.com/egypt-army-destroys-13-more-gaza-tunnels-09371288 Unrest in Egypt: Closed Tunnels Could Ruin Hamas: www.spiegel.de › English Site › World › Palestinian Territories The shameful behaviour of Arab leaders was exposed very clearly during the bombing of Gaza in 2014: SHOC-KING! Did ISIS/ISIL Collude With Israel To Justify: www.ascertainthetruth.com › Home › Zionism & Palestine › Zionism The Arab Collusion in Israeli Massacre of Palestinians in Gaza: www.countercurrents.org/ghazali210714.htm From Egypt to Saudi Arabia, the Arab world has abandoned : www.newstatesman.com/.../2014/.../egypt-saudi-arabia-arab-world-has-a The bombing of Gaza was justified by the autocratic Arabs because they are an offshoot of Muslim Brotherhood and were allies of Mursi. None of the Arab leaders in the Middle-east condemned the Israel action against Gaza, in fact there are lots of proof they have actually instigated it in order to finish of Hamas. The only Arab country to voice objection was Qatar and they along with Turkey who also condemned Israeli bombings were isolated by Arab autocracies for voicing their objection.     FiqiJin @ 1/31/2015 11:42 AM EST  By the way, you are incorrect about Egypt being the first nation-democracy in the middle East. Both Turkey and Israel have been long time democracies, compared to Egypt. Lebanon also, I believe.     FiqiJin @ 1/31/2015 11:25 AM EST  Topclan, Firstly, Godwin's Law means using the "Hitler card" to end an online debate. For instance, correcting someone's grammar may lead to Hitler or Nazi names invoked against the one correcting. It is saying that the corrector is a dictator. That is what Godwin's Law is. My use of Hitler was not under that scenario. You Lose! As for my views on world politics, Muslim Butcherhood of Egypt is not part of. This Organization is a loser organization. When they finally succeeded in assuming power, they failed to govern in consensus with the rest of Egyptians. So, the MB started to legislate dictatorially. They wanted to change the oldest civilization overnight. Big mistake, which the high court deemed them unlawful! One of their most amateurish attempts was their hasty to challenge the military top brass. Once the military got the excuse--the high court's rejection of the MB laws--the military did what it did. And just to prove it to you, no one shed any tears for your precious MB. If they were such democrats, why did the whole world declare good riddance? .     topclan @ 1/31/2015 9:23 AM EST   FiqiJin   Of course it does, you were trying to knock the fact MB were democratically elected and used the Hitler as an example. Hitler did crime the world has never seen before, it had nothing to do with the fact he was democratically elected originally. The worst thing about Hitler was not that he was a democratically leader, it was that he was a genocidal maniac. It doesn't matter in which system he came to power, he was a genocidal maniac.     topclan @ 1/31/2015 9:12 AM EST  Fiqijin It's better for you to just stick to Somali politics and your clannish outbursts as clearly You know very little about international politics and are just embarrassing yourself. "The world did not at any time welcome MB organization as democrats." Who are the democrats in the Middle-East if not the MB, Egypt military, Sisi or Arab autocracies? The world welcomed MB as the first democratically elected national government in the Middle-east. For example, the first democratically elected party in the Middle-east was Hamas but they were not welcomed because the West recognises them as a terrorist organisation. In the Middle-East, where only theocracy and autocracy rule the MB are the democrats. MB has renounced violence and has been pursuing only peaceful means to power while Hamas is still yet to renounce violence. Non-democratic doesn't mean a terrorist organisation and the liberal/secular Egyptian have no right to point finger when they support the military dictatorship and applauded its overthrow of a democratically elected government in bloody coup. The liberals/seculars have shown they lack moral and principle. At the moment, the MB have the moral high ground as thousands or even hundred of thousands of their supporters have been massacred or put in prison while they have responded with restraint considering what has happened to them. The MB also support democratic elections while liberals/seculars only mouth about it but in fact support military dictatorship. Some people believe that MB are wolves in sheep's clothes and that they might act democratic but are not really on the inside. They believe that once they are elected into power and have consolidated power they will reveal their true colours and turn into a theocratic rule. This they believe would have happened under the watchful eye of the Egyptian military, U.S. and Israel. The U.S. wants a stability in the middle-East to safeguard its interest(oil) and preserve Israel. We know how the U.S. likes to invade another country whose leaders it doesn't like or jeopardises its interests. "They assassinated a devout Muslim like Saddat, a man whose crime was to make peace! " How do you know he was a devout Muslim? To put it in a historical context, Sadat was the first Arabic leader to recognise Israel but this gave Israel legitimacy without Israel recognising the right of Palestinians. Sadat was one of the first of a long list of U.S. and Isreal stooges in the Middle-East, he was not like Jamal Abdel Nasser who fought against Israel and Western imperialism, he is much more like his successors Mubarak and Sisi. Where is the peace? Yes, Egypt and Israel have not gone to war since but this is because Egypt under puppets like Mubarak and Sisis surrendered and became a stooge for the U.S. and Israel. And still no peace or a nation for the poor Palestinians. The fact is Sadat is venerated by the West but in the Muslim world and especially the Arabic world he is seen as a traitor.     wiifgarow @ 1/31/2015 8:59 AM EST  So Mr Uluso does not want talks with Somaliland. we also gather he wants Somaliland 'back into fold'(or death embrace as we call it). Now how does he propose to achieve his cunning plan of 're-union'?     FiqiJin @ 1/31/2015 8:45 AM EST  Top, By the way, Godwin's Law did not apply in my comparison.     FiqiJin @ 1/30/2015 9:09 PM EST  Topclan, I think it was you who is trying to sanitize Muslim Butcherhood of Egypt by touting their election to office. I thought it was important to list other monsters also elected democratically. The world did not at any time welcome MB organization as democrats. Democrats, they are not. The brain of Al-Qaeda is Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt. They committed terrorism inside Egypt. They assassinated a devout Muslim like Saddat, a man whose crime was to make peace!       Zami @ 1/30/2015 8:31 PM EST  topclan, Take you & your godwins law straight to an Egyptian prison.     somalipeople1 @ 1/30/2015 7:12 PM EST  Ahmed Said, You are talking about countries with federalism and that its normal and they have divided there states through ethnic lines. The one thing you forget is that we are all Somali. Do you understand that, we are all Somali. Thats whats makes this all weird. It means that you are not talking about ethnicity but about clans. And that you are saying that we have to divide Somalia in clans. That means you are a clanpromoter. Although you are talking about somalia and that we need to be united. This is contradictive. Also there are many clans living in puntland. And these clans will never except that one clan will rule the land that they where also living. It means that new states and wars will emerge, and eventually we will have 100's of states.And everyone knows it will lead to war. I believe strongly in local politics and the selfdetermination of local people. But i definitely not believe in clan federalism. If you are talking about true federalism it means that you ahve to create a state with different clans living side by side. for example bring together puntland and gobollada dhexe. or jubbaland sw state together. Then you are talking about true federalism. Do you think all clans living in puntland are happy with only majeerteens being in power? Do you really think that no other clans live there. Its the same ideoligy like somaliland. Clan federalism will not work. Federalims throug clan lines will only create divideness, war, and foreign occupation and coloniasm. It will also support the strategy of our neighbours, because a strong somalia is threat to them. But you have to understand that we need a strong Somalia. We need our country. And our country needs to be strong so that no other country will harm Somalia. There a millions of somali living in Kenya and Ethiopia wich are being mistreated, who will help them? arent they our brothers. Also there are millions of somali living abroad who need our help en support and need a government wich watches over them. This war has been going on for far too long. It created people like you who have lost their faith for their fellow brothers and sisters. Lets think about our children and future generation.     topclan @ 1/30/2015 7:09 PM EST  Fiqijin Ever heard of "Godwin's Law"? Zami, a few Muslims killed innocent people, therefore is it fair to call Muslims terrorists?     topclan @ 1/30/2015 7:03 PM EST  Fiqijin "Well, it does not mean that MB is not a terrorist and assassin organization. Democratically elected? So was Hitler! Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!" You cannot just believe something you must produce evidence that they are terrorists. A few MB members might have killed innocent people but that doesn't mean they are terrorists. It's ideology as well as action make you a terrorist, but MB have condemned any attack on innocent people and in contrast to violent Islamist movements MB have supported peaceful means which why they were elected in Egypt and Tunisia. Muslim Brotherhood may have been violent at the beginning but they have since renounced violence as a way to power and have been pursuing peaceful means for decades. You are one of those idiots who believes that if Hitler did something it must be bad. So you are argument goes that Hitler was elected democratically therefore the MB are also bad like Hitler, am I right???????     topclan @ 1/30/2015 6:48 PM EST  Ahmed Said "Don´t play igno-rant you know well that United Arab Emirates are 7 clans or 7 Emirs" I do not know UAE is divided into seven clans but they are ruled by one leader or two leaders the rest are not What I said was that democratic countries are not divided by ethnicities or clans they are ruled by rich Emirs which is not a solution for Somalia. Belgium federalism is actually based on two languages(French and Dutch) not ethnicities, and Switzerland has unique system. Quebec has always been autonomous and the UK is a unitary not federal. In some countries especially democratic countries like India, Belgium and Switzerland have regions with different languages because the country it has a population with different languages. It's regions with different languages not different ethnicities, it is to make easier to manage. I don't think you need me to tell you the history of Russia and its occupation of other nations. Chechnya has been occupied Russia and has been abusive for a long time. Russia has recently taken Crimea and is looking to add East Ukraine. At the heart of each of these nations' federalism is national unity and cohesion which Somalia doesn't have and it will only be made worse by clan federalism. It will still be a big struggle to implement federalism in Somalia but the best chance of it working is to connect regions with many different clans. Instead of dividing the country many clan states, we could have just four big regions. For example: Somaliland stays intact as one state, Puntland, Mudug and Galgaduud make up another state, Hiiraan, Middle Shabelle and Banaadir make up another state, and finally Lower Shabelle, Bay, Bakool, Lower Jubba, Middle Jubba and Gedo make one state. If you are serious that you only want federalism because you want local rule instead of being ruled from Mogadishu, then you would accept this non-clan based federalism. CORRECTION: I made a mistake earlier when I said China was a federal country. This is incorrect, China has had always a unitary system.     FiqiJin @ 1/30/2015 5:28 PM EST  Zami, How did the world recognize a terrorist group, as you called them, as the first and still only democratically elected government in Egypt? That was Topclan's question. Well, it does not mean that MB is not a terrorist and assassin organization. Democratically elected? So was Hitler! Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!     FiqiJin @ 1/30/2015 4:57 PM EST  Get a load of this topclan logic: In order to denigrate "federalism," he tags clan to it by calling it "clan federalism." Further, to prove that all Somalis are not for federalism, he listed more than 6 clans against by name. He blames a clan in Puntland regularly. Yet, utter the substantiated truth about his clan's sins in Mogadishu, and then " you" are clannish. Ahmed Said, This topclan regularly calls your people in Puntland as bigots and manipulators, He says no one of different clan can be a resident or an office holder in Puntland. In other words, Puntland discriminates. This guy is the one who is everything he accuses me of. But noooo, no, no, you cannot mention the one clan who many of its members are on YouTube looting everything in Somalia capital.       topclan @ 1/30/2015 3:17 PM EST  Fiqijin I listed three clans, but unlike you I didn't attack or blame them. I was just showing who support clan federalism and who doesn't. I was responding to the claims by those who were attacking Mr Uluso, who is HG, because they claim only they are against clan federalism. So, don't try to tar me with your clannish brush. When have the country had a debate about whether federalism is the system we want to have? It is false to pretend we have had a national debate and it has been decided that we want federalism. What every Somali wants to know is, when we will have  a national debate on which system of government best suits Somalia?     topclan @ 1/30/2015 3:01 PM EST  Zami Have you answered my questions yet? How did the world recognise a terrorist group, as you called them, as the first and still only democratically elected government in Egypt? Mursi and MB were recognised by everyone including their enemies yet you want to us to believe something that was concocted by the military led by your hero the monster Sisi(ISIS) couldn't face being out of power for the first time since the 1950's Some MB may have killed a few people but that is nothing compared to what happened under Mubarak or what is happening under Sisi. It's incredible how you accuse the MB of terrorism because of the death of a few Coptic Christians yet you remain silent and don't condemn the massacre of thousands of Muslims killed by Sisi's henchmen. You even posted a link to a Christian website as proof! Yes, they love MB! It seems to me like you love those Christians and the Monsters like Mubarak and Sisi yet you condemn the MB which has killed few people and was democratically elected until overthrown in bloody coup. There is no strong Somali government which could intervene and stop any possible war between these clan enclaves so as Baghdad Bob said, they have to go Addis Ababa to sort it out.     topclan @ 1/30/2015 2:20 PM EST  I believe that democratisation and localism go hand in hand becuase the more freedom people have the more they can make decisions that have a direct effect on them. Most of the countries which have federalism either have large territories, a massive population or both. Therefore, federalism makes managing those countries easier but they do it in a way that doesn't jeopardise national unity and cohesion. Clan based federalism jeopardises the national unity and cohesion and what makes it even more dangerous for Somalia is that the counrty has actually been divided for two decades and therefore already lacks real unity and cohesion. To have national unity and cohesion in a federal system is difficult enough on its own but have it in one where the regions are clan based, is impossible and downright mad. I think the U.S. has the least centralised federation in the world but compared to Somalia's federalism it looks centralised. People normally put national unity and cohesion before anything else but we put them after everything else. Hence we have a fragmented country and it's unlikely to get better if we accept clan federalism.     topclan @ 1/30/2015 2:08 PM EST  Ahmed Said " I knew the city I live there as child, it was tiny village with no electricity or buildings let alone schools today a city where electricity is 24 hours with modern education and one of best hospitals in Somalia, believe me I cry, people couldn´t understand why I am crying. Do you think this will have happen with decisions and permission from a dictator?" Dude, that is great news! The government of Barre failed to develop the country in general but especially places furthest away from the capital. I understand that Puntland, Somaliland and others don't want to lose the freedom they have had and progress they have made for the last two decades. Tell me how these places were built and I will show that it can be possible to achieve the same or even better things without clan federalism. There is nothing to stop Puntland and other regions from developing as they are now unless we get a second dictatorship. I am from Mogadishu and I want to elect my district and city/regional leaders. I want accountability, transparency and justice but in order to have those you must be able to elect your representatives in all levels. We know that centralism and dictatorship are associated but they're not the same, you can have centralised democracy which most democracies are and you can also have federalist dictatorships like Ethiopia, China and Nigeria. Even Russia, which is described by some as democratic, has a very authoritarian federalism. What is a need for justice and freedom is not going to be fulfilled by clan federalism. The problem under Siyad Barre wasn't so much centralism, the problem was that it was not democratic. There's a confusion by clan federalists between federalism and democracy when they praise Ethiopia's federalism as something to aspire to. Ethiopia has something which it calls federalism that is nothing but an instrument to divide different ethnicity in order to continue the two decades rule by a single party of Tigrey leaders. China is another federal country where it has been ruled for decades by a single party, the Communist party. I don't know all the countries which use federalism but at least none of the democratic countries are divided by ethnicities or clan. Ethiopia's federalism has regions divided by ethnicities but it is held together by a strong dictatorship so none of the regions can question the central government.     Zami @ 1/29/2015 11:14 PM EST  FiqiJin, Its worst than that, he also supports terrorists in Egypt.     FiqiJin @ 1/29/2015 9:56 PM EST  Topclan, You have finally shown your true clannish color. I see that you have listed almost all Somali clans by name, except Tumaal and Midgaan! You show also how bigoted you are against Ogadeen community. Your avatar name (Topclan) speaks for itself.     FiqiJin @ 1/29/2015 9:07 PM EST  This is nothing more than a repackaged dead positions, half truths and naked lies. Firstly, this Uluso is the only person debating (himself) about Somalia Federalism. Where does he get off stating a "worsening situation" in Somalia, as he puts it? Today, Somalia is better off than any time in the last 23 years. Al-Shabab is practically defeated. There are no other armed groups threating order in Somalia. Regions are getting on with federalism. Yes, the politics in Mogadishu, from the president and parliament, stinks. This president's job should not be to micromanage PM's cabinet. His job, for which he is unfit, is to be a statesman, who can speak to the circumstances of his people, who can mend and heal his people. The whole parliamentarians are on sale. With the right price, they will vote for or against anyone or thing.       topclan @ 1/29/2015 7:36 PM EST  IJA and SW3 are political manipulations, if you are serious you would have backed SW6 which is locally supported and has more legitimacy. As I said before Ahmed Madoobe and Shariif Sakiin don't make a regional administration and the federal you are talking about is not locally driven and is just a politically manipulated exercise to cover its illegitimacy and corruption. Are you saying that Digil and Mirifle will support clan federalism which divides their people?     topclan @ 1/29/2015 7:12 PM EST  Ahmed Said If you rule your territory, it's not painful to me. If you rule your territory, I can rule mine. Although some have tried to rule mine as well as theirs. I am from Mogadishu, the heart of Somalia and the seat of government. Some of you support the medieval practice where every clan was confined to its own town but that is not applicable for a modern state. There were wars between Somali clan but it was fought with knives not with modern weapons which we have experienced 1991 onwards. Lack of a strong central government almost guarantees conflicts between clans but a strong central government could defuse any disagreement as it has a legitimacy and an overwhelming force. But without a strong central government, clan militias will feel they can settle their own scores. What clan federalists are not taking into account is the modern world is coming closer together rather than drifting apart. People will say, well in the future the central government will be much stronger but who can guarantee that? Don't light the fuse, if you don't want the dynamite to go explode! Ethiopia and China have a federal system that is more centralised than many central systems but I don't want it because, for me, their too centralised and undemocratic. If you want Somalia to go back to a medieval practice of every clan confined to its town then you are not living in the modern world, but if you want a confederation we have to settle alot of things because Somalis are too untrusting of each other.     somalipeople1 @ 1/29/2015 5:41 PM EST  Ahmed Said, Why do you always promote federalism? because 1 clan can rule all of puntland? Do you really think that 1 clan ruling all of puntland is the way Somalia will get forward? Or do you love your qabiil so much that you have to always promote federalism, puntland? Somalia has 100's of qabiils. This clan federalism lets 5/6 qabiils rule all of Somalia. Do you really think that this will solve the somali problem in the long run. Somalia use to have  dictator wich is Siad Barre. Now we will have 5/6 dicators/warlords/clans wich will rule Somalia. This is not the solution. At least Siad Barre promoted Somalinimo, maybe he wasnt acting like that but he did promote it. You are always openly promoting clanpolitics. Why can't someone from hargeisa live, work, be a politician in Garowe or Mogadishu. Why cant someone in Garowe do the same thing in Mogadishu? It is stupid and we are getting more and more divided because of people like you. If federalism is in the interest of your clan than you will promote it. If your clan was in Mogadishu you wouldnt promote it. Thats the current situation in Somalia. First my clan and then the rest. Its not about somalinimo walaaltinimo and respect. I think the only solution is to held a reconciliation conference in mogadishu and other important cities. And to also let daarood people live in mogadishu and hawiye in puntland. Maybe a mayor swap between Mogadishu and Bosaso. Also maybe its time to be humble and give a somalilander the presidency to reconciliate. These are real solution to bring people together. Ony the devil divides people     topclan @ 1/29/2015 3:24 PM EST  Tanadeh Tanaad Ahmed Said HG are also Somalis and they have the right to express their opinions too. It's not only HG which is against clan federalism and destructive forces. If you have not convinced people how are you going to get them to approve federalism? Dou you think political manipulation will get the job done.     topclan @ 1/29/2015 2:07 PM EST  Let's see who actually supports federalism and who doesn't: Hawiye reject federalism,Somaliland rejects federalism, not sure about Digil mirifle but they are not happy with the current clan federalism, Mariihan are not in favour and would much prefer a central government, Khatume people I'm not sure but they always support a strong Somali state? The biggest supporters of federalism are Puntland and they have tried to convince Ogadeen by supporting the Jubbaland initiative. Puntland can get support from IGAD but Somalis are either against it or are yet to be convinced federalism is the solution for Somalia.     topclan @ 1/29/2015 1:54 PM EST  Ahmed Said You may have a point with Somaliland or Puntland, but Madoobe and Shari Sakiin don not make a regional government. Somaliland and Puntland are driven by clan ideologies, Somaliland aim is secession while Puntland's aim is clan federalism which is closer to secession than to a strong and united Somalia. The clan enclaves of Somaliland and Puntland predate federalism in Somalia, so their existence has nothing to do with federalism. "Anti-federalism, anti-UN, IC, Kenya, Ethiopia etc. he quoted many other critical articles about same issues. To stop federalism now or get rid of IC interference about Somali affairs is too little too late." He quoted Somali intellectuals we see who almost all of them write articles which are critical of the same issues. What this shows is that there's consensus that the situation Mr Key is presenting to the world is far from the one most Somalis and especially Somali intellectuals see. How is it too late? Most Somalis don't understand let alone accept federalism as a solution for Somalia. Who did you convince of federalism? What you are saying is that it is either your way or no way at all. That is non-sense! Foreign interference is not in Somalia's interest, and we must fight to stop it if we want an independent country. Somalia has never truly accepted federalism: Somalia's constitution is just provisional and has never had a say on either the constitution or federalism. Somalia only becomes a federal nation when these are met and the public accepts it in a free and fair vote. Federalism was thrust on Somalia when a few warlords who destroyed the country were put together in Kenya to decide the fate of the country and people they destroyed . "Se-cond IC and wha-tever, pays your pills and that means they are the master of the house, you have no choice but accept their dict-ation" They may pay the bill but we will not accept them dividing the house. As  Abraham Lincoln said: A house divided against itself cannot stand.     @ 1/28/2015 5:47 PM EST  You must login first..     Zami @ 1/28/2015 5:29 PM EST  Nick Kay is destroying the country. He is pushing a dangerous agenda & should leave Somalia. Somalis' have never been given a chance to solve they're own problems without interference. We need genuine reconciliation, not clan federalism.     @ 1/28/2015 5:25 PM EST  You must login first..

Can't login ?
Account not activated ?? if so please email your account(username,email) info to [email protected]
Subject = Activate Account

Log In User Name: * Password: * Remember me next time. Register Forgot Password

Username:
You must login first..
  
Click Preview, to preview before submit.