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fiqicigaal @ 8/28/2011 3:51 PM EST  Ciid wacan oo wanaagsan!!!!     secular @ 8/28/2011 2:25 PM EST  Fiqi et al. Kheyr ayaan isku ognahay. Ciid Wanaagsan kulligiink!  :)     fiqicigaal @ 8/28/2011 2:00 PM EST  secular, We didn't hijack it we just brought something nore interesting and appealing to some to the forum and there is no need for apology. We have done nothing wrong it was harmless debate full of opinions, anecdotes and  humour and nothing offensive. It is my view that it was  debate worth continuing and learning from those who know alot about Somali nomadic way of life to pass it to our youth in the diaspora who never had the opportunity to learn their culture and traditions.     secular @ 8/28/2011 12:48 PM EST  Guys, Sheekadii gela, geeljiraha, dhaca iyo dhaqashada geela intaa aan ku joojiyo. Nomadic life is a very tough one and thought us a great deal of resilience and adaptability that can be put to a better use. We got carried away by enthusiasm and I, for one, apologize to those who felt their discussion hijacked by a couple of "Camel Herders" ! Thanks to all.     fiqicigaal @ 8/28/2011 11:52 AM EST  secular, Iidaa adeer Abdillahi dugaag iyo kabadhuu igaga deeraane, tanaan dagay. Magaabo la'aan waa waxa iishaa ii yeelay!!!     secular @ 8/28/2011 9:26 AM EST   Fiqi, "Maggawsi jacayl" yuusan jar kaa tuurin! Mar haddaad kabbatay caana laga lisay " hal adeerkaa tahliiliyey" far baa kugu taagan! As for Adeer, since he is a resourceful and resilient guy, Dhaqan-celin door ah baa ku filan!     fiqicigaal @ 8/27/2011 4:36 PM EST  secular, Aan kaa farxiyo miyaad u jeeday ileen anigu geela la soodhacay ma taxaliiline adeer Abdullahi yaa farsamada watay eh. Hadiikale waxaan odhan sidii Dhoodaan, 'ma cadaaladbey nagu hayaan waa shirqool taniye'. Aduun ikhatashii ku dhacday Adan Galaydh uga biqimaayo adeer Abdullahi oo waa dabin ka bood si sahlan lagu dagimaayo. Tan kale adiga iyo ardaygaaga projekiinu haddii uu hirgalo adeer Abdullahina aakhiro seeg ayuu ka nabadgalin qaab nololeedka geeljirahana waxweyn baa iska badali ee dadaal dheeraad ah muujiya bi'i waaya eh.     secular @ 8/27/2011 2:10 PM EST  Fiqi, Aan kaa nixiyee, Projectiga aniga iyo ardaygaygu wadanno hadduu najaxo, Adeer Cabdullaahi wuxuu ku biiriddoonaa liiska baagamuuddada! Gela lagu rakin microchips , DNA database na waa loo sameyn! Weligiiba tahliil ha tufo!!!     secular @ 8/27/2011 1:44 PM EST  Geel la kala xalaaleysto sheekadan baa iigu darrayd! Nin caan ku ahaa xadidda awrta ayaa beri yimi tuulo ay odayaal qoyskiisa ahi ku shirayeen. Wuxuu arkay rati daaqaya jeex ceelka ku dhowaa, damacna ka gal. Wiil uu dhalay buu u dirsaday inuu la soo ordo rati uu isagu lahaa, odayaashii hortooduu la maray oo yiri " ratigaan anaa lehoo waad aragtan hadhow yaan been la iga sheegin"! Wiilkii buu u sii dhiibay ratigiisii, kii jeexa daaqayayna horuu u kexeestay oo magaalo fog ka gatay! Markii la maqlay rati buu beecinayay ayaa la eedeeyey , odaygii beesha u weynaa baase ku dhaartay in laga gardaranyahay!     secular @ 8/27/2011 1:27 PM EST  Fiqi, Ardaygaan duruusta u bilaabay kuna qanciyey inaan soo noolayno dhaqankeennii hore ayaad iga qastay! Adeerna wuxuu "janno ku seegay" intuu islahaa tolka xoolee, sababtana adaaba sheegay! Welwel aan la seexanwaayo iga fog, illeen dhowrkii tuludood aan beri yeelannay waa daba-go'een! Waxaan rajeenayaa adeer inuu joogo degaankiisoo ayan gelin damac ah " xalaalee xoolo magaalo iyo guryo la kala dhacay"!!! Wallee waxan ka baqi inuu maro jidkii oday aan yaraantay arkay: Kun ku dhowaad geel ah buu lahaa,zakadana kama bixin jirin. Sakaraatulmowt isagoo ah buu ku qarwijiray " war geela igu durdurinaya iga celiya"! wiilal badanoo uu dhalay oo sugay saami-dhaxaleed waxay yiraahaan " iska daaya, wa zakadii uusan bixi jirine"! Wallee Adeer Cabdullaahi " booli badan uu xalaaleeyey waa ku durdurin"!     secular @ 8/27/2011 1:18 PM EST  Fiqi, Ardaygaan duruusta u bilaabay kuna qanciyey inaan soo noolayno dhaqankeennii hore ayaad iga qastay! Adeerna wuxuu "janno ku seegay" intuu islahaa tolka xoolee, sababtana adaaba sheegay! Welwel aan la seexanwaayo iga fog, illeen dhowrkii tuludood aan beri yeelannay waa daba-go'een! Waxaan rajeenayaa adeer inuu joogo degaankiisoo ayan gelin damac ah " xalaalee xoolo magaalo iy     fiqicigaal @ 8/27/2011 12:59 PM EST  secualr, Toban geel ah oo afar la rarato Allah kuguma xukumin eh adiga ayaa ceydh sabool ah doortay waayo hadaad jeer hore adeer macalin abdullahi ka soo xigan laheed qiilka nirig loo arkayay xaaraan xalaaleyay xoola badan ayaa xeradiina ka foofi lahaa lol QIILKU WAA SAHLANYAHAY WAANA SIDAN: Kow Geela la soo dhacay sumad ka raadi(inta badan reerka aanu dariska nahay jac galbeedin geelayaga ayey ku xooleysteen Labo Dariskayagu waa kabadhe aan mood mooyee nool hido u laheen Sedex Nin iyo xoolihiis aragtidaa ka dhaxeysa oo toos boo u xalaaloobi Afar Nirigtu kolkay dhalato hadii taxaliil lagu tufo toobey xalaal u noqaaotaa inkastoy kolkeedii horabaa saqiir ey aheyd oy sideedaba xalaal tahay kolkay dhalatay sida ilma saqiir ah Shan waan kugu raacsanayay in labadalo maahmaahdii 'hal xaaraanihi nirig xalaal ah ma dhasho'. wabilaahi towfiiq!!!     secular @ 8/27/2011 12:15 PM EST  Fiqi, Xikmaddiihi soomaalida dib in loo fasiro weeye! Walle, " hashii boolida ahayd nirig la-xalaaleeyay dhashay"! Anngu " cad xaaraan" ah liq haddaan maagno waan ku saxannayo "kan cad" buu na maraa!     secular @ 8/27/2011 12:06 PM EST   War belo! Sheekadu meel khatar ah bay gashay! Haddaan gartay waxa aabbahay u kasban waayey geel ka badan toban (oo weliba afar ahayd awr la rarto)! Intaan xalaal-miirad ahayn baa rag xoolaystaY! Rag waa kii tala wadaagijiraye, boolida ha la soo celiyo, Adeerna ha towbad keeno! " Cafa allaahu cammaa sabaqa" !     fiqicigaal @ 8/27/2011 10:25 AM EST  Jaalle secular, Hadhuubgaal caana ah waa laguu heli oo lagaa haqabtiri. Hal booli ah? haka yaabin waayo haday dhacdo in geel laga soo qaaday beelaha jac galbeedintu na dhexmarto inta aan qaybta yadu xeradayada soo galin ayaa loogu yeedhaa adeerkey macalin cabdullahi macalin shaafici si uu u xalaaleeyo. Arinta xalaaleynta geel la soo dhacay waan hubaa inaad aad ugu heelantahay inaad ogaato qiil;ka xalaaleeya hal booli ah, sow ma aha?         secular @ 8/27/2011 12:49 AM EST  Comrade Fiqi, Long live UGS! Shahaadda waa kaa guddoomay, shardise waan ku xiray: Haruubgaal caana ah oo laga lisay hal aan "Booli" ahayn! PS. I am also waiting to hear from UAJS and ULJS (Arijir & Lo'Jir Societies)! ! To my "Long distance Student" Nomadic1, Dhaqanka miyiga , as it's now, kuma sii soconkaro sabab cimilo dartood (environmental causes). We have to settle our nomads, introduce education, healthcare, without erasing the " rural mentality". Sleep well and keep learning from " old-timers" !     fiqicigaal @ 8/26/2011 7:36 PM EST  Nomadic1, waa wareey! wacade xaajadii waa leyskaga daba yimid hasa yeeshee hadaanu nahay israaca ururka geeljirka arintaa iyada ah waxanu leenahay 'kani galbay ku kale mooyee'. Hadii geel la jac galbeedinjiray hada talo ayaa la jac galbeediyay doodna waxba kama qabo ileen gar diid waa allah diid eh.     nomadic1 @ 8/26/2011 4:31 PM EST  Secular Aad ayaad ugu mahadsan tahay sida haqab la'ida ah ee aad noola wadaagtay dhaqankeeda baadiye. Aad ayaan kaaga mahad helinayaa! Waxaana kugu baraarujinayaa inaad sii wadid macalinamadaada. Stick Aniga waxay ila tahay in waqtigii reer guuraanimada uu dhamaaday. Waan jeclaan lahaa inaan sababta aan saa u iri sheego laakiin ramadaan iyo hurdo la'aan aa fara igu hayo, hal il aan ku soo jeedaa. waa inoo mar kale. Fiqi Ma waxaad bilowday inaad bililiqaysato ururka geeljire yaalka. Hiladii yaxaaska kaa qadi aa ka cab is tiri ma is tiri? Salaama Sana guys     Stickorcarrot @ 8/26/2011 9:51 AM EST  Qebtii 2aad. Waxbarashadeena aasaasiga ahaydna qeyb weyn ayay ka ahayd in Afkeena Hooyo ee hodanka ah la liido. Waxaan xusuustaa markii Dugsiyadda la dhigan jiray Xiisadda Af-Soomaaliga iyo Xiisadda Carabi-Diinta (Xiisad bay isla ahaayeen Carabi iyo Diinigu) waxaa la dhigi jiray Xiisadaha Lixaad iyo Todobaad oo ah labadda Xiisadood ee ugu dambaysa maalinta. Waa marka ardaydu ay ugu nebcaayeen qaar bandanna waa iska tegi jireen marka xiisadahaas la gaaro. Haddana weli isma bedelin wadankeenii oo waxaa xoogga la saaraa barashada luuqadaha qalaad. Taas waxaa tusaale u ah hadaad akhridaan Shabakadaha websites) Soomaaliyeed siday wax u qoraan oo ah jaantaa rogan.   Hadaad Af-Soomaaligooda akhridid waad ka fahmaysaa meeshay ka liidayaan, waxaad garan kartaa dadka qora in aan loo dhigin hab maamuska wax loo qoro iyo eray adeegsi toona. (HOL, WDN, Somalitalk, & malaha dhowr kale waa ka duwan yihiin). Arinta Nomadic1 sheegay ee ah in hab nololeedka reer miyigu uu iska dhamaan doono, anigu ma aaminsani inay dhacayso.  Laakiin sida Soomaalidu reer miyinimadeedu ku salaysan tahay waa muhiim in wax laga bedelo. Reer guuraaga marba meel u guuraya waa in loo bedelaa dagaansho iyagoo xoolahooda haysta. Tan ah qofku waa xoolo dhaqato waxbarasho kalana ma raadsanayo iyaduna ma sii socon karto. Reer miyugu iyagoo xoolahooda haysta waa inay caruurtana wax baraan. Yaa yiri xoolo dhaqato laguma dari karo degaansho iyo in caruurta wax la baro? Taas weeye ta u baahan in wax laga bedelo. Laakiin si reer miyigu degaan u helo waa in loo suuro geliyaa adeegyadii u sahli lahaa (biyo, dhul qaybin, wax barashadii  IWM). Malaha Almadartu ma taqaan “IWM”? IWM=etc Hadal iyo dhamaantii, Secular , Fiqi & Nomadic1 aad baad ugu mahadsantihiin Af-Soomaaliga aad noo soo bandhigteen oo naggu khasbay in higgaadii Af-Soomaaliga aan dib u raad raacno.     fiqicigaal @ 8/26/2011 9:36 AM EST  secular, I Fiqi ina Cigaal shiddad on behalf of UGS (united geel jire society) in the diaspora have the pleasure to award you Medal For Geeljire Literature 2011.                                 lol       Stickorcarrot @ 8/26/2011 9:35 AM EST   Secular, Fiqi & Nomadic1 Soomaali baad nagga waraabiseen, waxaan isku deyayaa inaan Af-Soomaali qura ku qoro qoraalkan. Aad iyo aad baad u mahadsantihiin soo bandhigista aad golahan ku sharaxdeen dhaqan Soomaaliyeed oo badi Soomaalida qurbaha joogta daaye Soomaalidii wadankii joogtay ay illoobeen ama is illowsiiyeen. Soomaali haddaan nahay dhaqankeenu wuxuu ku salaysan yahay reer miyinimo. Eray wixii miyi looga baahdo Af qalaad laga heli mayo. Magaalose wixii la xiriira Af qalaad oo badan ayaa badhxay Afkeenii Hooyo. Soomaalidda badidooduna khalad ayay ka fahmeen Afkoodii Hooyo. Ilaahay wuxuu nebcaysiiyay wixii dhaqankeenna asalka u ahaa oo ah reer  miyinimo. Soomaali badan baad arkaysaa oo u fahamsan qofkii Af-Soomaali yaqaan in uu reer miyi yahay, reer miyigiina cay bay noqotay. Ummad asalkoodii nacday ayaan nahay. Waxaan qurbaha ka dareemay in is bedel jiro oo waxaan arkay caruur badan oo Af-Soomaali inay bartaan xoog isku saaraya. Dabcan waxay ku xiran tahay heerka aqooneed ee waalidiinta caruurta. Haddii waalidku aqoon leeyahay way ku dhiiri geliyaan caruurtooda inay Af-Soomaaliga bartaan. Dabcan qurbe Af-Soomaaliga lagu baran karo ayaa iska xaddidan.     secular @ 8/26/2011 6:25 AM EST  Nomadic1, Conclusion at last! Inta af Talyaaniga hikaadisaa malaha maqlaye, waxaa jiraa Maahmaah oranaysa " tagliarsi il naso per fare dispetto al proprio viso"! Translated, sounds like " cutting your own nose to tease the face"! Caadooyin xun iyo kuwo aad u fiican waan wada leennahay. It's a burden we have to carry and " fallari gilgilasho kaagama harto"! We adopted more convenient & comfortable ways of life, nonetheless we have to keep in mind our recent past (macaan iyo kharaar kay tahayba)! Sorry if I bothered you, but ... it was " me, the Internet and .... Plenty of time to kill" (don't call it altruistic act)!     secular @ 8/26/2011 6:10 AM EST  Lesson N.3 Dhinaca guurka, gabadha iyo wiilka haasaawaa dhexmarijiray, marka la isafgarto ayaa lagu ballami jiray in "la isla baxo" (eloping)! "Masaafaa" ka dib waxaa loo tegijiray "Shiikh isku nikaaxaha"! Call it " a Geljire dating" , but it was a countermeasure to greedy/dowry-demanding father's obstacles. In old good days, people accused of habitual theft, immoral acts or drinking problems, used to be " deported" to bigger towns/cites, where " they could find many of their likes"! It's was common to collect contributions among the relatives of the "deportee" (ceebtiisa/teeda fogee)! "Geeljire" waa u darnaanjiray qolo hadduusan afkooda ama lahjaddooda fahmin! Ina Cabdulle Xasan waa kii laga maqlay " heeh intay yiraahdaan af baas kuma hadaaqeene"! Magaca reerka ilaalintiisu way ku dheerayd Gelljire. Anecdote: nacas la wada yaqaan baa magaala kale tegay. "Yaa tahay markii la yiri buu qolada meesha sheegtay". Nin yaqaannay oo reerkooda ahaa baa ka "dhirfay" oo yiri "waryaa maxaad uga faanayasaa dadkaaga"? Nacaskii baa yiri " war waxaan diidayey in reerka Nacas ka dhashay la inaku maqlo"!     secular @ 8/26/2011 5:37 AM EST   Lesson N.2 Bari qayba ka mid ah Kalluun u sheeg! Haddii ayan suntan (mark) ama ayan caanaba ka maalin boqollaal magac bay u yaqaannaan oo xoolo-dhaqato isma fahmaan! Xanaaq iyo "Dhiidhi"na caan bay ku yihiin! Anecdote: Nin baa nin dharbaaxay, markii la weydiiyey sababtana wuxuu yiri " Ari boowe shalay i DHUGAY maanta aa i dhugtay"! Meel ka mid South of Somalia waxaan maqlay ceebta u weyn inay ahayd in nini shir ku dhuuso! 5 sano baa laba beelood la isugu keeniwaayey gole heshiis. Markii loo fariistay baa " midi ka dhawaajiyey". Odaygii u weynaa baa kacay oo yiri " Tani tu loo fadhiyikaro ma aha" ! Taa dambe hubin bay u baahantahay!!     secular @ 8/26/2011 5:18 AM EST  Waryaaa "culture & Anecdotes" for Nomadic1 Lesson N.1 Dhinac diin lagama taabto oo isagoo aan aqoon buu u dhintaa, markuu shaki galana, ileen Af Carabi ma yaqaane, wuxuu Waryaa oranjiray " Mad madoobow Alla ku yaqaan"! Geel iyo Waryaa lama kala dhexgaloo isrir-sooc iyo dirkay qaalintu ka dhalatay (Geljire genetics) buu ku doodaa marka la isku qabsado lahaansho. Anecdote: Labaa qaalin isku qabsatay, Qaalligii kutub Quraan buu yiri ninkii huboow ku dhaaro, labadiiba way diideen. Mid meesha maray baa laga maqlay " Rag meesha ma joogo! Ma hashaas quruxda badan baa nin u dhaarta la la'ayahay?" (Fiqi inay qaraaba yihiin ninkaas dambe u malee)! Goofaf iyo Beero qolyaha lehna sohdintood nafleydii khatif ama ula kac ku gasha dagaal bay ka xigaan. Malaha maqashay " La jiifiyaana bannaan". Trespassing cows are ... a big liability! Somaliland/Jibuti qolya dagana waxayba u haysan jireen in "khaliqa Alloo dhammi ka soo jeedo iyaga oo Camalkoodu kala geddiyey"! Caucasians/Arabs waxay yiraahdeen markuu falxumo la isku qabsado " iska daa camalkiisa caddeeye"! In Cigeh/Arbe/Caytame-HolacLand, laba nin oo keli ah baa ku quraac jiray wan buuran, Aabbahayoo waa Burco u tegay tijaarana 3 Laxoox ah buu makhaayad ka dalbaday markaasay ku yiraahdeen " waar miyaad jirrantahay"!!     nomadic1 @ 8/25/2011 8:09 PM EST  Secular I really liked the below comment you made on another thread so much I had to save it for future reference. I think you nailed it! [Somali nomads are by nature individualistic and we all carry the burden of this common background. The word " disposable" has a close connection with us: all we use, starting from the straw huts, wood/leather arches & poles,water containers, and even livestock, are not meant to last long. You loose all your livestock and you recover in one or two season. Your hut is burnt and womenfolk make a brand new equally flimsy one. Menfolk die of war/disease and the "old man" gets a new bride and fathers again, thus perpetuating the vicious cycle again, without assuring for his brood sustainable means of survival! You herd together 500+ people of this extraction and expect some good to come out of it?]     nomadic1 @ 8/25/2011 7:53 PM EST  Fiqi It did appeal to me indeed! Runtii waan jeclahay sheekooyinka baadiye inkastoo mowjad sare aad u baxdeen.lol waan jeclaan lahaa inaan wax idinku darsado laakiin waxba meesha kuma hayo. So, please do enjoy your moment as they in the Jeeljire community “geel maalin walba ceel ma joogo”. Waan jeclahay inaan baadiye ku laabto markaan retired noqdo intaan dhowr sacaad ibsado. Have a nice time guys!!!     fiqicigaal @ 8/25/2011 7:10 PM EST  Nomadic1, I thought this kind of title-tatle between two nomads would appeal to the minds of those who know little about our Somali nomadic live and its rich culture with unigue livestock habitat and rescilient folks who have adapted and developed endurance to survive such harsh and hostile enviornment. We say every story has an end but the story of a nomad has no end. It will end only when the life of a nomad ends and perhaps that is why myself and ustaad secular couldn't find it easy to end it.kkkkk But of course we understand if some of us find it monotonous and we are happy to put the breaks on for the time being.         nomadic1 @ 8/25/2011 6:45 PM EST  Secular It does not bother me at all. If anything, i think it is quite enriching. I realy enjoying learning and experiencing the nomadic way of life. Even though I believe it as an outdated, unsustable mode of life that is in desprate need of change. Sorry about the intruption and enjoy your your waayo waayo discusion.     secular @ 8/25/2011 6:08 PM EST  Nomadic, Isqabqabi intii lagu jirilhaa, isn't it wise to talk about geel & waayawaayo? Of course, waan ka badbadinnay and too much of anything is too much. I did not  speak somali two consecutive days in a raw for the last 30 odd years, nonetheless I felt "a sense of real belonging" when "a Geljire" showed up and revived in me some dormant past memories! Long story short, I neither owned  camel nor herded them for someone else! BTW, the whole thing started as a joke, but ended up on high note! We can call it a day, if that bothers you, though you should elated to see people "play in your territory" (Nomad-ism)!     nomadic1 @ 8/25/2011 5:29 PM EST  Fiqi ad Secular Is this a geeljire reunited you are doing here. lol     secular @ 8/25/2011 4:21 PM EST  Cont.. Midda " wannazicaatu....", ka horbaa "serbi qooqan macalliinkii ila koray" sasna waan ka qaaday in muddo ah i hayey! Qisaduna waxay ahayd " Wal caaddiyatu dhabxan" iyo "carab laxni galay" ! Jir dil iyo macallin-quraan was the norm in those days, maantase uma oggoli wadaad wacdi Allahaa ka baq oraah ah wax dhaafsan inay na dhex marto.     secular @ 8/25/2011 4:10 PM EST  Fiqi, "xoolo-goyni" waxay gashaa Geel, Lo', iyo Ariba! "Ishkin" noocay tahayba sii loo dhaqdo way igu adkaan lahayd, inaan " suuq geeyana" "adyad" bay kugu noqon lahaydoo waan kaaga turayaa! Malaha waxaa ka habboonayd inaad tiraahdo " Rabbi og, nin lala xididaa tahay" (yaanse lagaa maqal haddaad rabto inaan nabad guriga ku hoydo)! Xoolo-goyni waa mid laguu garto iyo mid aad adigu weyddiisato. Qolyo aan aqaanna waxaa laga sheegay " Ri weydiinteeda ninka kugu dhiba, kexeynteedaa lagu dhibaa" ! Not every "charitable " action is ..... charitable, in Waryaa culture!!     fiqicigaal @ 8/25/2011 3:21 PM EST  Murtida maanta: " Jeegada ma mooddaa Jugley jerin xaganaysa, inta kale ma moodda Sibraar si xil leh loo dhaanshay" ! Af fur wanaagsan!!!     fiqicigaal @ 8/25/2011 3:06 PM EST  Illahay balankii waxaad istaahishaan in leediin xoola goyo! Igama qudhunto. Waxaan ujeeday inaan idhaahdo: Illahay balankii waxaad 'geydaan' in leediin xoola goyo!     fiqicigaal @ 8/25/2011 3:01 PM EST  War Stickow! War raga maad kala dhexgashid mise waad noo tariseysaa? secular wuxuu isaga keydhigay nimaan ku xeel dheereyn arimaha reer baadiyaha iyo hab dhaqameedkooda hasa yeeshee kolkaad aad ugu fiirsato erayada iyo qaab qoraalkiisa waxaa kuu bidhaami inuu baaric ku yahay arinta reer baadiye. Ankusoo gunaanadee miyaad maqashay ninka waydiiyay jaalihiis, sonkorta iyo timirta midkee baa macaan? Wuxuu ugu jawaabay, ma ku soo boodada hore mise raandhiiska danbe, ku soo boodada hore sonkorta ayaa macaan laakiin raandhiiska danbe timirta ayaa ka macaan. Raandhiis ma af Soomaali baa?       secular @ 8/25/2011 2:52 PM EST  Xusuustii u dambeysay: waxaan maqli jiray mid nin uusan  jeclayn sifeynayey oo yiri" Jeegada ma mooddaa Jugley jerin xaganaysa, inta kale ma moodda Sibraar si xil leh loo dhaanshay" ! Ulama jeedo Holac-caytamee ha la i ogaado! Afkeennu waa hodane aan "Carabeynta" ka daynno, !!!     fiqicigaal @ 8/25/2011 2:46 PM EST  secular, "aabbahay geel toban ka badan ma yeelan!". Adigaa qoray. Illahay balankii waxaad istaahishaan in leediin xoola goyo! Tan kale, mey rasaasey mee rageedii oo asalka banaanba geel la qaaday raadcadiisa maad ka qeybgalin miyaa? Tan iga qabstay arin koray nimo iyo madax fudeyd reer magaalnimo ii geysatay maalin kaan raacay rag u gurmaday geel reer sokeeya ah laga qaaday maana dib danbe la i soo mariyaa gurmad. 'Lixlaa gubay laab guduudii' wax tala ah cidii tirisay maansada beydkaasi ka mid ahaa? Rag waa shaah dumarna waa sheeko eh aadkaba adiga secular ihi xaga Qura'anka ma looxlay baad ka gaadhay mise kutubley baad aheyd kolkii ardaynimo kuugu danbeysay? Anigu Inaa acteynta ma dhaafin laakiin adiga dardartaadaan arkaayo nin aad u miskaxfuran baad tahaye hal su'aal ah: Ma Wa naazicaati Nuzcan baa mise waa Wa Naazicaati Nazcan?       secular @ 8/25/2011 2:14 PM EST  One last point, Fiqi, aanba "cidla-ciirsi-la'" ugaba tagnee Stick & Co., aabbahay geel toban ka badan ma yeelan! Waxaanse arkay: Rati ragaaday oo la ragaadbixinayo, geel dhukaamay, qaalin dibbootay, awr doobbinaya oo gulgulinaya, garawaan magaalo ku sii jeeddoo kuray gar hayo iyo sheeko gaadid-celin! Kama faano asalkayga baadiye,kana fogi sheekadi inanta tiri " eeh , kani dhiiqimayee maxaa dhacay" (baaddiyay ka bil ka maqnayd, markay soo laabatay waxay damacday inay ORGI caana ka listo)! In badanoo baaddiye iska fogeeyaa nagu jira!     secular @ 8/25/2011 1:46 PM EST  Waxaan kuu xusuusta " Dhay, Suusuc,Dhitto, Ciir, labeen, Caaneeyo, Xanto, weyl (not a calf),Faar, oo intaba ka yimi caanaha! Canna waa la lulaa, la fur-bixiyaa oo dabadeed la xurbeeyaa. Inaan ka baxaan raabaaye, duruusta dambe ugu dar inta aanan aqoon dhaqan Waryaaga!     secular @ 8/25/2011 1:32 PM EST  Fiqi, Wiil magaalo ayaan ahaa, anoo aad u yar baanna baaddiye ka imi oo khibrad toos uma lihi dhaqan miyi. Waanse faham badnaa oo xusuus baa marmar igu soo duxda! Bowsi iyo sheeko ka soo qaad! Mar mar aan ceel tagay geeljire Horweyn waraabinayana " u qabtay Xarig-feereed", fara muruxanna hooyo kula ooyey! Dhaan iyo xoolo uma kexeen ceel, " oon-guul iyo wabax-guul" midkoodna uma habeen-dhixin!     fiqicigaal @ 8/25/2011 12:59 PM EST  secular, Haa Likke waa lacunaa oo aniga ina Cigaal shiddad ah ayaa qumaati u raamsady waana macaan laakiin afka ayuu kaa guduudin wakhti aan badneyn. Illahay balankii waad iga qoslisay meejaad(i wonder if you know who says meejaad instead of meeshaad kkkkk) ku qortay, "Han Dhurwaa" "gasangas " iyo "Madaxbuq" ceel ma la tagtay, mise waxaad ku ku jirtay qoonka ku ababay "OMO"? Adigu Nirga muqleysan ma dhibeysay? Maraq saar meysku dayday? Hal aad jecleed ma casha tabisay? Gaade(tuug)tuldo dhowr ah ma jac galbeediyey oo birmad ma gashay adigoo waranle ah? Nirig afku xuubla ah bal ka waran?     secular @ 8/25/2011 11:54 AM EST  cont... I apologize for hijacking the topic. "MIri-Miri" ma aha Geed Hindi, wuxuuna leeyahay mira la cunikaro!!     secular @ 8/25/2011 11:43 AM EST  cont... Fiqi, Xabag gurasho iyo "Laya" karsi weligaa ma isku dayday? Malab shinni daaye, mid "Dhurde" geed ma u fuushay? "Fuud Yicib" haddii loo fariisan waayey, waxaa ka daran kuwa meel fog dagoo ku ilka-beelay "xagashada Xeego"! Likke in la cuno qaamuuska iiguma jiree ma run baa? "Han Dhurwaa" "gasangas " iyo "Madaxbuq" ceel ma la tagtay, mise waxaad ku ku jirtay qoonka ku ababay "OMO"?     secular @ 8/25/2011 11:33 AM EST  Fiqi, I have little doubt that we are HOMESICK! Though it's 30 odd years since I set foot on WaryaaLand, I still cherish some fond memory about far away corner of the Globe! U maleenmayo inay dhirtaan magacyadooda dareerinnay ay weli ka baxaan dalkii. Himir, Lajiide, Hohob, Murcanyo, xilligee la guran jiray? Gocoso ama Butta weligaa ma qodatay?     fiqicigaal @ 8/25/2011 10:35 AM EST  secular, Aad ayaan ugu riyaaqay sida aad u fahantay kaftanka 'Quullaha'. Ina aabow,  Gar waa loo islaame hadii Quulle leysu diiday oo leysu dacareeyay bal ka waran Gomoshaa ama Middo ama Waarig ama Likke ama xangeeyo ama Xabag ama Jinow(those folks from the far east like Laas-aanood will know it) ama Yicib(well yicib is also some sort of midho) ama ama ama wamaa ilaa daalik ninka madasha shirka sahay ahaan u soo qaata ileen la af xidhnaan mayee xiliguna waa Xagaa oo waa la xuurtoone?     secular @ 8/25/2011 10:21 AM EST  Fiqi, Dhumucda Quullaha waxaan u dhoweyn lahaa kan digirta (a little bit larger), iniinta uu marka ceeriinka lagu cunana calooshaa qasanta! Moos uma dhowa, yaryarta dhaqan baradka ahna yayan "laxan bowsane"  bal xusuusta buska ka jafoo wax hubi! "Miri-Miri iyo Geed Hindi" haddad xustay maxaad u reebtay "Dhamas"ka noogu yimi dhoofka  iyo doolaalada     secular @ 8/25/2011 4:07 AM EST  Digniin! Goobta dhexdhexaadinta lagu taliyey  qofkii imanyoow " ha cunin Quulle"! Allow ceeb astur!!     nomadic1 @ 8/23/2011 7:42 PM EST  lol Is that what it is? It sounded an animal to me. Thanks for the tip.     fiqicigaal @ 8/23/2011 6:30 PM EST  Nomadic1, 'Quulle', waa geed sida sarmaanta(geed) dhulka isku balaadhiya oo iniinyo madow dhexda ku leh wuxuu u egyahay moas ama muus(banana).Iniinya ayaa laga guraa inta la kala jeexo oo kadib la karsadaa. Aalaa dhulka xooluhu ku yaryihiin ayaa dadku Quullaha nafaqa ka dayaa.Waxaa Quullaha lagu xifaaleeyaa beel kamid ah beelaha somaaliyeed ee daga Gado iyo agagaarkeeda.       fiqicigaal @ 8/23/2011 6:02 PM EST  Guys, My below comment was just for laughs. I was trying to add some spice to the conversation, but  I do belive that  Nomadic1’s  truce  idea was brilliant and inspiring. Well done.     nomadic1 @ 8/23/2011 5:38 PM EST  Fiqi What is Quule? squirrels??     nomadic1 @ 8/23/2011 5:10 PM EST  Stick That is realy funny - Gacan la xaday oo wax lagu soo xadaayo ninkii lahaana ogayn. Taas waxay tusaale u tahay creativitiga soomaalidii hore. Hada kuwa joogo creativity ma leh oo har cad ayay wax dhacayaan. Fiqi Hido, dhaqan iyo suugaan adiga laguguma gaari karo. Xirfadahaan aad sheegtay aniga youtube ayaan ka daawadaa.Last time oo aan baadiye tagay anigoo cabaadayo oo "war waa maroodiyeey, war waa maroodiyeey leh ayaan aqaladii ku soo dhax dhacay". Markii war is daji maroodi halkaan ma jooge la yirina waxaan wacad ku maray inaan maroodi soo arkay. Saa waxaa la yiri bal noo sheeg waxaad ka soo carartay siduu uu ekaa iyo sidaan ku ogaaday inuu maroodi yahay. My answer was, "dhaga waa wayn ayuu lahaa horaana sawirkiisa batariga raadiyada ugu arkay". After, brief investigation by one of the kurays, my Maroodi turned out to be a pregnant Bakayle. They still call the Maroodi guy. lol.....but that was long time ago. I vividly remember our driver listening to a very loud music by Saado Ali "Naftaydaa kuu jirabanoo waxay i haysa jamashada...." day and night. It must have been at the time. Btw, i am very much into somali suugan lately. I am mesmerised by this gabay by Carays Ciise Kaarshe. Please listen to eat and give your feed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ4k3VcrTvc     fiqicigaal @ 8/23/2011 3:25 PM EST  'Gar diid waa Allah diid'. Somalipeace and momo accepted Rammadan truce and we are all exuberant.                                                                                             Yippee!!!!! Stick, I challenge Nomadic1 for the post of the elder statesman  for the forum on the following reasons: I can do the pat your head and rub your stomach trick I can play Gogaa leysi(gogaa cigale).I bet he can’t, he is too rear magaal I can play Waaloy waalo (you take gudub or toas  and you start chanting waaloy waalo waayeel qaawan waligey ma arag and then to score a point , you put your hand forward or swing it side ways depending on which way you chose to score gudub or toas and avoid being blocked by your opponent I can compose and play Dhaanto(latest version) I can eat a bowl of Quule within ten seconds  kkkkkkk I can milk a camel , a goat and a cow too What do you say guurtiyay? KKKKKK the above CV says more about the qualifications of a parliamentarian tfg ex-warlord.     Stickorcarrot @ 8/23/2011 10:52 AM EST  Nomadic1 lol @ "Inta geed qare ka soo dhacay baan gacan ka jabay" "wixii xunba xaawaa leh" Wixii indho aday iyo qarjajac la xiriiraba ma Goboladda dhexe ayaa lagu xiriiriyaa. Waxaan maqli hiray ninkii isagoo baabuurka saara habar baabuurka la saarac markii la seexay odakacii ka xaday oo cunay. Markii habartii toostay oo ay aragtay joogeedii oo maran bay qaylo ka wareegtay. Baabuurkiibaa is taagay markaas baa la yiri "yaa habarta ka cunay oodkacii?" Wax sheegta ayaa la waayay. Wadihii baabuurka ayaa yiri, "Subag isma qariyee saf ha la soo galo" Safkii baa la galay sii gacmaha loo ursado. Markii la soo gaaray dembiilihii ee la yiri adaa cunay buu intuu gacantiisii ursaday yiri. "War ba'a, heedhe bahal la tegtan yaa ku cunay" lol Gacantiisii buu ka dhigayaa in qof kale wax ku cunay  I love it! Haddii aan kuu jilciyo "miri-miri" waa geed hindinga laftiisa oo walaalaheena Waqooyi ayaa "Miri-Miri" u yaqaan geedkaas! Waa run, gur kasta oo Muqdisho wuu ku yaal. Saddex ayaa gurigayagii ku yaala.     nomadic1 @ 8/23/2011 10:40 AM EST  Yes, geed hindi waan aqaanaa. Waa geed hoos wanaagsan uu yaal oo caleen qaraar kuna yaalo almost very home and street in Somalia. Miri miri, hada ma xasuusto. I know BARDE and RAQAY as well. And Qurac and Qansax from baadiye.lol     nomadic1 @ 8/23/2011 10:12 AM EST  Stick Sxb ma waxaad rabtaa inaan noqdo sidii ninkii gobalada dhexe ka yimid la waydiiyay GEED QARE ma taqanaa ku jawaabay "ma anaad geed qare ma taqaanaa I leedahay? Intaan ka soo dhacay ayaanba gacan ka jabaye".     Stickorcarrot @ 8/23/2011 9:37 AM EST   Nomadic1 & Fiqi Labadiinuba London baad wada joogtaan ismana taqaaniin miyaa? Nomadic1 Somalipeace10 wuxuu dhahay "geed hindi"hoostiis ma taqaanaa geed la yiraahdo "miri-miri"? Labadaa geed hadaad kala sharaxdo odaynimadaada maanta wixii ka dambeeya reer HOL hadal kaa gelin maayaan. You will be the elder statesman for the forum (not because of age but because of wisdom!)     nomadic1 @ 8/23/2011 8:53 AM EST  Somalipeace Waa runtaa walaal xalka Somalia geed hoostiis ayaa lagu dhamayn karaa ayadoon shisheeye lala hoos galin. Bal aan Ilaahay u barino bishaan barakaysan Somalida quluubtooda isku soo duwo. Stick Credit goes to the warring parties who accepted our brotherly mediation with respect and dignity. I personally enjoy reading these two individuals’ arguments regarding the underlying sources of the Somali conflict and the role  of the neighbouring countries in this regard. Their polar opposite views on such diverse matters as shabaab, Amisom, Ethiopia, TFG and clanism…..reflect the views of the majority of the Somali public and it will be of great benefit to everyone if these two immensely talented persons debated the matter exhaustively for the benefit of the readers. So,  I urge them to resume relations after Ramadan albeit  with different tactics. We want them to show compassion, not poison. As you said, lets first reconcile within our souls, friends and neighbours and then the nation.     Stickorcarrot @ 8/23/2011 7:28 AM EST  Marwo iyo Mudanayaal, Soomaalidu waxay tiraahdaa: "Nin rag ahi ama waa talo keen ama waa talo raac" Fiqi iyo anigu taladdii oday Nomad1 baanu raacnay Somalipeace10 & Momo iyaguna gogoshii waa aqbaleen gacantana waa isa saareen. Hadee malaha Soomaaliduba qof dhexdhexaadintooda daacad u ah haddii la  heli lahaa malaha 20 sano ka hor ayaan howshan dhamayn lahayn. Arintani yididiilo bay i galisay inaan talaabadan "Nomadic mission of peace initiative" laga dhigo oo heer shaqsi, heer qoys ilaa heer qaran la wado. ;-) Waad mahadsantihiin Somalipeace10 & Momo, hadda shaqsi qaniinkii waa ka tegaynaa oo fikir isku garaacii baynu bilaabaynaa lol Taas dhexdhexaad laga noqon maayo ogaada oo "shimbirba shimbirkiisuu la duulayaa"     Stickorcarrot @ 8/23/2011 7:26 AM EST  Marwo iyo Mudanayaal, Soomaalidu waxay tiraahdaa: "Nin rag ahi ama waa talo keen ama waa talo raac" Fiqi iyo anigu taladdii oday Nomad1 baanu raacnay Somalipeace10 & Momo iyaguna gogoshii waa aqbaleen gacantana waa isa saareen. Hadee malaha Soomaaliduba qof dhexdhexaadintooda daacad u ah haddii la  heli lahaa malaha 20 sano ka hor ayaan howshan dhamayn lahaa. Arintani yididiilo bay i galisay inaan talaabadan "Nomadic mission of peace initiate" laga dhigo oo heer shaqsi, heer qoys ilaa heer qaran la wado. ;-) Waad mahadsantihiin Somalipeace10 & Momo, hadda shaqsi qaniinkii waa ka tegaynaa oo fikir isku garaacii baynu bilaabaynaa lol Taas dhexdhexaad laga noqon maayo ogaada oo "shimbirba shimbirkiisuu la duulayaa"     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 11:23 PM EST  Nomadic1, Stick and Fiqi Thanks for your odaynimo. Xalka Somaliya sidaas ayaa geedka hoostiisa loogu dhamayn karaa haddii maryo kaligood ahaadaan ,ogaynimadaas oo kalena la helo, lol.     nomadic1 @ 8/22/2011 8:21 PM EST  Masha Allah Momo ignore my last post. You are a true gentleman/gentlewoman. I think we all made clear that you spare no one. Lets keep the Ramadan ceasefire and the commitee will review your case after Ramadan, Insha Allah. Mahadsanid adeer     nomadic1 @ 8/22/2011 8:16 PM EST  Somalipeace10 You are a true gentleman aad ayaadna ugu mahadsan tahay sida wanaagsan ee u aqbashay codsiga odayaalka dhaqabka HOL. Sidaad u sheegtayba, waa inaan iska ilaalinaa waxyaabaha bad blood keenayo.Both you and Momo are terrific independent single minded individuals. You both care for your people in your own ways. You tend to look at the external side of the Somalia problem whereas Momo is more critical of the Somalis themselves. Momo Waxaa la yiri xaajo hadaan sidii futo idaad loo haydin ma fiyoobaato. Xaajadaada odayaalkii waa ku wareereene waxaa lagugu xukumay in aad si shuruud la'aan ah cease fire ku dhawaaqdo. Sedex oday (Fiqi, Stick iyo Nomad) oo kala socdo meelaha Soomaaliyeed ayaa kugu xukumay arinkaas. Mahadsanid     Momo519 @ 8/22/2011 7:58 PM EST   Ok. I accept the Ramadan ceasefire! :) But after Ramadan, just like a typical Somali, I'll go back my old ways. ;) BTW, you guys are making one major error. You assume that the clans that I criticize and the thugs and cynical people that I criticize are not from my clan! It is true that they typical average Somali doesn't criticize his/her clan and relatives. But I can tell you that I have the courage to criticize my clan and expose their fault. I also have the courage to criticize members of my clan or my clans political agenda. I am not chained and blinded by clan loyalty. Its possible that Somalipeace and I or Cige and I or Dr. Fiqi and I belong to the same clan! It's also possible that I hail from boosaaso or from Badhabo or from Buuhoodle. And still my objective views will always be the same regardless of the issue and the thug and the clan. :)     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 7:36 PM EST  Stick, Fiqi and Nomad1 Aniga waa aqbalay gogosha haddii la dhigaayo geed hindi hoostiisa. Qabiiloyinka Somaliyed maalin walba ayaa wax laga sheegaa, dhibna malaha hadii lays dhaafsado fakarada si kaftan ama dhab ah. Momo hadaan qabiilkayga u shego waxaan ka cabsanaa in ay HOl ka cararto, marka waa u qalaynaa si aanan uga carqaladayn arinka ay dhisatay. On a serious note, xabad joojin shuruud la'aan ah ayaan aqbalay.     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 7:14 PM EST  Stick, Nomadic1, Fiqicigaal I do not have any grudge against Momo or any other individual. My discusion  has been about her constant misplaced defence of Ethiopian atrocities inside and outside Somalia and dishonest attempt to justify it by inflating issues between Somali people. Her unjustifiable soft spot of Ethiopain crimes against Somali people inside and outside proper is a cause for concern. Worse still, to cover her shortcoming she accuses people and tries to rekindle the unfortunate civil war between Somali people. Experience in Somalia shows that individuals who try to hide behind colleactive responsibility have personal criminal responsibility and always attemt to gasp at straws. I disagree that momo is not believer of clan business. If one observes her comments old and new it becomes obvious that she sees things through clan lenses. I am not concerned with a particular clan being bashed, what I am concerned is the insidious attempt to create bad blood between Somali people in order to justify crimes of individual criminals and foreign troops. In my humble opnion that is a very serious issue. On my part, I am prepared to debate the issues at hand. However, it is difficult to debate with people who are fighting a civil war of decades ago.         nomadic1 @ 8/22/2011 6:20 PM EST  Fiqi I will accept your invitation if you upgrade your offer from TEA to full course meal at the nearby Hotel Russell. lol     fiqicigaal @ 8/22/2011 5:26 PM EST  Dr Nomadic1, Sorry,  I think i misread your comment waxay igaga dhagtay kabahaa Russell Square kaga dhamaaday. In fact my work place is not that far from Russell Square and I would love to invite you for a coffee one day, am serious. On anothe note, i think momo and somalipeace10 need to cool it off and put aside any misunderstanding that may have caused unnecessary friction. Dr Stick, Come on! iam not that old and even if i had gratuated high school on lately eighty that makes me few years older than Dr Nomadic1 kkkkk FYI,  Russell Square is in centre of the city London and there are so mnay historical sites for the tourists to look around and take photos.       nomadic1 @ 8/22/2011 5:17 PM EST  Stick Sidaad u sheegtayba, Momo fires to all directions when it comes to qabiil. Momo is not a believer of clan business. Momo, odoyaalka beelaha HOL waxay gogol kuugu dhigeen inaad si shuruud la'aan ah ku heshiisaan aadna is cafisaan adiga iyo Somalipeace maadaama bil Ramadaan lagu jiro. Sidaas daraadeed, waxaan kaa codsanaynaa inaad gogashan nabadaynta ee aan idiin fidinay aad aqbashid. Mahadsanid Gudiga Odayaalka Soomaaliyeed HOL     Stickorcarrot @ 8/22/2011 5:05 PM EST  Nomadic Adigu markaan "Dr" joojinay baad boorka ka afuuftay? SOAS....it's school right? lol Fiqi ma qorsoomayo haduu halkaa joogo. We will find you Fiqi! Waa hagaag Nomad waan kaa yeelay gogoshaa aad dhigtay. Somalipeace10 aniga iyo Fiqi baa soo qabanayna'e adiga waa kugu Momo. Soo gogol fariisi. Cheers All.     Stickorcarrot @ 8/22/2011 4:59 PM EST   Somalipeace10 Momo intaan arkayay qabiil Soomaaliyeed oo ayna wax ka sheegin ma arkin. She is equal opportunity Somali basher…at least that is how I see it.   I have read her posts and her negative views about Hawiyes, Darods & Isaks  families. I have not seen her rant against Rahanweins –that does not necessarily mean she is from Baidoa. I defended her before from the charges of Qabyaalad. She does have twisted view about Ethiopia, but I don’t think tribal animosity is what’s fueling her tirade. As they say: “Injustice all around becomes justice” Soomaaliduna waxay tiraahdaa “Wax wada qab waa aad” Markaa, adigu hal qabiil oo ay maagto ha ka caroon taasi qabiilkaaga ayay noo sheegaysaa haddii kale lol Anigu qoyskeeda sidaan u sheegay 80% waan malaynayaa from her VERY OLD posts. Haddana maalma dhexdaas ah waxaad moodaysay in qabiilkaasi geelii awoowgeed dhacay. I think her love for Ethiopia is the issue we need to deal with. Qabiil X & Y wax ka sheegoodu waxba maanta iima aha.     nomadic1 @ 8/22/2011 4:42 PM EST  Dr Stick Maya, Russell Squire meel xun ma aha, waa halkay SOAS ku taal. Dr Fiqi daduu ka cararayaa ayaan u malayn. On a very serious note though: Dr Fiqi iyo Dr Stick Siday idinla tahay hadaan shir dib u heshiisiin HOL ugu qabano SOMALIPEACE AND MOMO. Waxay ila tahay hadaan arintaas samayno in sumcadeena HOL sare u qaadmi lahayd ayagana break yar oo ay isugu soo hub aruursadaan ay heli lahaayeen.     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 4:27 PM EST  correction. I meant honorary     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 4:13 PM EST  Stick What about a honrary one? I am not sure if momo is a women, but gender aside s/he is spitting out pernicious poison everytime. The problem is that everyone can hide behind the PC and spread hatred. I am sure in real life s/he acts different talking about Somalinimo. I intetionally decided not to disabuse him/her of the notion that I belong to a certain clan.     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 4:10 PM EST  Stick What about a honrary one? I am not sure if momo is a women, but gender aside s/he is spitting out pernicious poison everytime. The problem is that everyone can hide behind the PC and spread herted. I am sure in real life s/he acts different talking about Somalinimo.     Stickorcarrot @ 8/22/2011 3:48 PM EST  Fiqi & Nomadic1 Ok. Dr  "retirement" baan u dirayaa. Russel square ma meel fadhi ku dirirbaa? Ma meel hablaha lagu shukaansadaa? lol Waxay u muuqataa Fiqi ma jeclaysan in halkaa lagu xiriiriyo. Fiqi Shukaansigii beri samaadkii waxaa bedelay, Text message iyo facebook. Hadda shido iyo dhib ma lahaba. Text iyo facebook baa howsha lagu soo gorfeeyaa intaan cidiba is arag!     fiqicigaal @ 8/22/2011 3:22 PM EST  Nomadic1 "On a lighter note, Decorate waxaa xaq u leh Dr Fiqi oo  xiligii Kacaankii Sheikh High School ka soo baxay hadana Russell Squire kabahii kaga dhamaadeen". You wrote I might agree with some stuff that had been said about me but I totally disapprove the above statement.       nomadic1 @ 8/22/2011 3:15 PM EST  Stick Please drop this Dr thing before things get out of hand unless you want me to be cyber assassinated by the HOL cyber warlords.. Lol….. I take yours as genuine brotherly encouragement but others might see it differently. Excessive baggage on HOL is not what the Doctor ordered mate! And please don’t let me get carried away and walk out on my security job. On a lighter note, Decorate waxaa xaq u leh Dr Fiqi oo  xiligii Kacaankii Sheikh High School ka soo baxay hadana Russell Squire kabahii kaga dhamaadeen.       fiqicigaal @ 8/22/2011 2:42 PM EST  Stick lol Good ness me! did I give that too away? You do remember everything like an elephant, don’t you?  kkkkkk I still relive my wonderful school years in sheikh. I had  the best time that any doesn’t care  happy-go-lucky typical teenage lad can think of and it was good not to be responsible of anything apart from studying and shukaansi(not the sort of stupid face book rubbish talk). I must admit though, I swear to Allah, I couldn’t tell who of my class mate was from which clan and it was not in the menu anyways. Things are  different nowadays,  we  have lost everything we had including our sanity due to tribalism, haven’t we?.     Stickorcarrot @ 8/22/2011 2:13 PM EST  lol@ Dr Fiqi, Those of us frequented @ HOL for sometime now, know about you Sheikh SS background. From that fact, we can at least guess your age lol In another thread I saw you asking about nuunow. I somehow felt the same way Nomadic felt. I remember him and Fiiqow setting up a duel. Fiiqow representing Shebab & him was representing the TFG. Perhaps Fiiqow won, though he himself is MIA. or…perhaps they fired simultaneous shots?       Nomadic Man @ 8/22/2011 2:11 PM EST  Somalia don't need to be a member of East African community.What we need most now is peace and rebuilding our country and security from external aggression.joining them will have a negative impact on Somaliweyn,it's like burning our flag which we can't tolerate or accept it.     fiqicigaal @ 8/22/2011 1:53 PM EST  My dear Stick, Oh! me and my big mouth. You put me in a difficult position if you chose to call me doctor of anthropology in which case the forum  members has the right to know my years in SOAS and that will expose few years that i have always trimmed from my age kkkk. I would rather stay simply known as the only Fiqi in the crowd than claim a doctorate that will serve nothing in Hol. Thank you!       momo519 @ 8/22/2011 12:56 PM EST   Somalipeace, You said, "... if it turns out that she is a Somali women, I will be immeasurebly disappointed...I cannot fathom that a Somali lady cam spit out such poinonous clannish vermon..." My reply to you was Haliima Khaliif Magool who happened to be a Somali woman and was a member of General Aydid's Habargidir militia! She also happened to be your aunt! Am I being unreasonable? Or since the facts are against you, the facts are being unreasonable! Or you wished we forget Magool's participation of the civil war? Or you wished we don't bring the whole civil war issue and focus on the 2006 presence of Ethiopian forces in Mogadishu?     Stickorcarrot @ 8/22/2011 12:42 PM EST  Dr Fiqi I did not know you're anthropologist ;-) Yes of course anthropologist can be called a doctor. from now on, you are one! Fiqi, Last March, I was visiting a city in the USA. That same week Dr Hawa Abdi was there. I bought a ticket and attended her lecture. Of course after seeing what she does and the pics from back home I was both happy and sad. At the end of the speech people were asking questions. One man stood up and he said, "I would like to help you but I am not a Doctor, what can I do if I give you a year of my life?" She asked him what his background was . He said he went to school for Social science. She said, "ooh My son, social science is what our country needs the most" to the laughter of all those attendees. http://www.dhaf.org/ The daughter with the green scarf was with her mom.     fiqicigaal @ 8/22/2011 11:40 AM EST  Stick, Can I be nosey and barrow your brains for a second? My understanding of the title ‘doctor’ is used in addressing any person who holds a doctorate. I also heard that a medical doctor is called a doctor because he or she are the ones who doctor other people. Would you call an anthropologist a doctor? I am not suggesting that Fiqi is one or wants to be called Doctor Fiqi. No!! neigh!!     Stickorcarrot @ 8/22/2011 9:51 AM EST  Somalipeace10 I am not a Doctor and I don't play one on TV Nomadic1 my achieve that title soon, I called him and he repeated the favor lol I don't deserve though. So, please "Stick" should do it. Thanks. As for, Momo, she is Somali gal. I have not seen her saying that, but I read enough of her posting to conclude her gender and even her family background lol while I am certain about her gender, I am about 80% her family background.     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 7:03 AM EST  Does anyone know how to debate an unreasonable, clan-minded bigoted individual who probably participated in clan warfare and have blood on their hands? I guess the best way is to ignore their rants, and that is what I will do from now on.     Momo519 @ 8/22/2011 5:55 AM EST   You pretended that Somali women are neutral and do not participate clan politics. I simply presented your Aunty Haliima Khaliif Magool who was a high ranking member of General Aidid's Habargidir militia and she has participated many wars. You can say all you want,  but You and I know that you are Ingiriisi.     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 4:41 AM EST  So late Magool is your role model?     somalipeace10 @ 8/22/2011 4:40 AM EST  Let me clarify. The reason I am asking Ingiriis to talk to momo is both Ingiriis and Momo share one characteristic. The judgements of both of them are coloured by clan mentality. They both seem to fighting the civil war of early 1990s.     momo519 @ 8/21/2011 8:55 PM EST   Somalipeace, Gender should not be a factor in how we write and behave! Your views on women where women supposed to write different comments than men is fitting in your over all thuggish behaviour! Lest we forget Halima Khaliif Magool, a former singer and a member of General Aidid militia!     nomadic1 @ 8/21/2011 7:31 PM EST   Fiqi Thanks for the pat on the back mate! Nuunow waxaan u malaynayaa in xafiiskii uu secretary ka ahaa dawladii farmaajo la dhacday kadibna shaqadisii dib ugu laabtay.     nomadic1 @ 8/21/2011 7:22 PM EST  Fair enough Momo! Nomadic brother or Brother Nomadic? lol     fiqicigaal @ 8/21/2011 6:01 PM EST  Indeed I will be disappointed in the TFG’s  failure to progress and I am worried  that its failure could cost many more people their lives.. BTW  I haven’t seen nuunow’s postings lately, i hope all is going well for him. He will  too be disappointed to see TFG with no progress or unity at this golden chance.when alshabaab is all of a sudden the weakest link.     somalipeace10 @ 8/21/2011 4:10 PM EST  Fiqicigaal Although there is an incredible momentum at the moment, it is doubtful that the current bunch is willing or capable of capitalizing on this unique occassion.     somalipeace10 @ 8/21/2011 4:07 PM EST  Dr.Stick Are you certain Momo is "she", because if it turns out that she is a Somali women, I will be immeasurebly disappointed. The reason being, I have an enormous respect for our women, and I cannot fathom that a Somali lady cam spit out such poinonous clannish vermon as has been the case with momo lately.     momo519 @ 8/21/2011 3:51 PM EST   Stick, I had a chuckle from reading your last comment! It's not a secret that I don't know much about religion. I'm proud to say that I'm Muslim, but admit that I know so little about my religion and any other religion for that matter. But the little I know is enough to dismiss Alshabab as Wahabis and Wahabis as a cult! ................ Nomadic brother, There is nothing much to comment about the Turkish visit! I'll post my comment on Aynte's article. :)     fiqicigaal @ 8/21/2011 3:49 PM EST  Nomadic1, somalipeace10,baghdad bob, Well said. Enough was said about Kenya by those who know its 'Ins and Outs'  and I don't want to bore you on what has been elegantly displayed by the fine trio already . However, they say every defeat is a victory, you learn from it  and there can be little doubt  that Somalia will rise up again and will find its right place in the international community and its enemies(ethiopia,Kenya,alshabaab, separatists, clanists, warlords etec) will be scattered like dust  in the desert and if we have to die fighting against their brutal th*gs there is no finer and more noble death than liberating our lands far and wide from them and their Somali stooges. But I have one advice for the TFG if it wants not only to survive but to see us through these  terrible times and show the world that  it is able and willing to make a tangible difference: It must established its way to a centralized government that is ready and able to accommodate all the needs of the different societies that it represents including those regional administratatives even if some clanist elements  become identified with extremism, racism and retrogression who seek to pit Somalis against Somalis in the name of clan domination and division. It must also move away from  bickering and plotting against each other and it must not allow its leaders to be distracted from defeating alshabaab and other extremist groups who(alshabaab) thanks to  Allah recently found themselves in the wrong neck of the wood when they abandoned strategic posts in the city.     Stickorcarrot @ 8/21/2011 2:46 PM EST   Nomadic1 & Somalipeace Momo to give her view about Erdogan, she has to mention the connection. The only connection we have with Turkey is Islam. And she is not comfortable talking about that topic.     somalipeace10 @ 8/20/2011 8:46 PM EST  Let me try to be in the shoes of momo and answer nmadic1's question. Almost all the comments of momo are either bashing some clans or are defending Ethiopia and other negative interference of other neighbouring country.Perhaps he has nothing to say about the possitive developments that the visit of Turkish prime minister represents.     somalipeace10 @ 8/20/2011 8:35 PM EST  Let me try to be in the shoes of momo and answer nmadic1's question. Almost all the comments of momo are either bashing some clans or are defending Ethiopia and other negative interference of other neighbouring country.     somalipeace10 @ 8/20/2011 8:32 PM EST  Let me clarify. The reason I am asking Ingiriis to talk to momo is both Ingiriis and Momo share one characteristic. The judgements of both of them are coloured by clan mentality. They both seem to fighting the civil war of early 1990s.     nomadic1 @ 8/20/2011 8:27 PM EST  BTW MOMO Just out of curiosity, can I ask why you did not make any comments about the biggest topic in Somalia right now – the arrival of the Turkish PM??     somalipeace10 @ 8/20/2011 7:49 PM EST  The chaos and tribal killing in the aftermath of the Kenyan election clearly demonstrated that Kanyan stability is build on a quicksand and may give way at any time. In the long term Somalia has more chance of forming a stable state. It is also important to remember that Somali people are already a nation and they only need to consolidate the state whereas Kenya needs to build a nation and then form a stable state. The only reason Kenyan did not implode during the last election was due to heavy external intervention. On the other hand , Somali myhem is most often excerbated by negative external interference. One thing is certain though, Somalia will emerge from this current myhem stronger and more mature. The signs are already there for those with intelligence to see. Ingiriis Could you Please talk to the mooryaan momo, may be you know how to address such hopelss morons.     somalipeace10 @ 8/20/2011 7:48 PM EST  The chaos and tribal killing in the aftermath of the Kenyan election clearly demonstrated that Kanyan stability is build on a quicksand and may give way at any time. In the long term Somalia has more chance of forming a stable state. It is also important to remember that Somali people are already a nation and they only need to consolidate the state whereas Kenya needs to build a nation and then form a stable state. The only reason Kenyan did not implode during the last election was due to heavy external intervention. On the other hand , Somali myhem is most often excerbated by negative external interference. One thing is certain though, Somalia will emerge from this current myhem stronger and more mature. The signs are already there for those with intelligence to see. Ingiriis Could you Please told to the mooryaan momo, may be you know how to address such hopelss morons.     nomadic1 @ 8/20/2011 7:34 PM EST   Final installment In reality, Kenya is not a safe environment to invest. It is one of the most corrupt* countries in the world. It is also a ticking bomb* as far as public disorder and ethnic strife is concerned. One abiding example of this is the ug1y events of couple of years ago. Even today, there is systematic ethnic partitioning going on in Kenya. Read “IT IS OUR TIME TO EAT” by Michela Wrong and you will know more….. Kenya is probably is now where Somalia was in the early eighties. Somalia will go places in the next ten years. Insha Allah. Somalia has the potential to offer better investment prospects than Kenya.     nomadic1 @ 8/20/2011 7:28 PM EST  Continued It is true that Somalis from abroad buy land and property in Kenya because they trust it more than they trust their own country. However, their judgments are based on current short term conditions. The same short term conditions that led them to invest and lost millions on virtual glossy catalogues in Dubai.     nomadic1 @ 8/20/2011 7:21 PM EST  Continued As far as Kenya is concerned, their relative stability has little or nothing to do with the claims you made. Kenya’s relative stability is down to major countries such as Britain having economic stake in their country. It’s also down to ‘positive interventions’ by the Western world. Kenya has well organized and highly paid army primarily funded by the UK. By contrast, Iraq, Libya and Syria whose populations are more educated than Kenya are in or on the verge of total destruction because of ‘negative intervention’ by the West. So education is not a decider! Also, most of Kenya’s educated people are either unemployed or are in poorly paid employment in bad conditions. They have little or no stake in their own society which makes them more prone to rebellion against their government.     nomadic1 @ 8/20/2011 7:17 PM EST  Momo Twenty years plus civil war is far from being temporary but please don’t forget wars - civil wars in particular – are necessary condition for development and progress. Most of today’s developed countries have had civil wars at one time or another – Britain had one in the seventeenth century, the United States had one in the eighteenth century, Russia had one early in the twentieth century, Japan was nearly obliterated when they were nuked; Germany, France, Holland and most of the Scandinavians were all left in tatters after the second world war. And now look where they are. The Somali civil war leveled the ground for everyone. It also gave people a bitter taste of their own medicine. As Somalis say “dab niikii ku gubtaa dambaskiisa ka cararo”, both current and future Somali generations will stay away from anything that brings unrest and disorder. They are also more likely to cherish the sweet taste of peace because they know the bitter taste of the opposite.     baghdad bob @ 8/20/2011 6:13 PM EST  Momo it seems you know little about kenya. perhaps you may have never lived in places like limuru, ruiru or krogocho lol or perhaps you don't speak any of the local languages kikuyu, kikamaba or kimeru etc so you know little about the country and the same applies to those naive somalis buying land in kenya. in kenya, you always anticipate for a civil war and that is why kenyan business men always keep a good share of their wealth in england just in case. during elections almost anyone with the means of traveling spend their days next to the ugandan or tanzanian borders but not the somalis because they are oblivious to what is happening in kenya. in kenya each major tribe has its own province and with its own language and culture completely different from the other and they rarely mix with a huge amount of suspicion and animosities, for instance the two dominant tribes the luos and the kikuyus will never agree on anything, the kikuyus will rather secede from kenya than let a luo lead them! according to the kikuyu culture a luo such as odinga is considered subhuman, in gikuyu they are considered to be "kahee" and young kiuyu girls are warned not to date or even think of marrying them.....it going to be interesting what is to happen 2012, the elections are around the corner and this time around the kikuyus are preparing to burn kenya down like in 2007/8 as they have just formed a new tribal alliance called KKK (Kikuyu, Kamba and Kalnejin)to stop the luos taking over state house....the luos are not taking it lightly either they are forming a new tribal alliance with luhyas, kisii etc and all these tribes are arming themselves to the teeth....     momo519 @ 8/20/2011 4:27 PM EST   Alla maxaa been la isku sheegay!!! 20 years and counting is not a temporary civil war! The reality is because Kenyans are more educated than Somalis, they will not have the same silly civil war that Somalis had! Education is very important and the more a country has well educated people the more likely that country to have a stable democratic government! But as long as we have thousands of fake doctors and people like Somalipeace(Ingiriisi) who claims to have graduated the most prestigious Mogadishu high school, we will be bereft the value of a true education! ...and as a result Somalia will not be Kenya and Kenya will not be Somalia! Somalis from the west are buying lands and building villas in Kenya. Why? Is it because they trust the stability of Kenya much more than their own homeland? Hmmm!     History @ 8/20/2011 2:20 PM EST  Sis don’t worry is part of the plan that soon we will conquer and colonize all East Africa with brains not bullets     abrahamoj @ 8/20/2011 7:27 AM EST  I will Remember or don't forget that they're the one who welcome us when we have the civil war in Somalia. not Saudi Arabia,UAE,nor Ethopia.for the most part Kenyan's are decent people.also the biggest refugee Comp in the world is there too.and 95% are from Somalia.     shaafi @ 8/20/2011 6:56 AM EST  i am not kenyan but i live n kenya forv some time i know something about it. in my knowledge most kenyans mindless arrogant, and unscrupulous people. there many of them who work for us and we treat them with dignity and humanity. however, the more you respect them they they assume that you stupid and start to exploit you. in my point of view, we need no mercy from kenyan nor kenyans, let them do what they want to us and say bad stuff about us when we come back and stand on our feet, we will see who is the needy     baghdad bob @ 8/20/2011 3:54 AM EST  somalis are gifted business minded people. kenya on the other hand is being held together forcefully by britain. There are some 3000 british soldiers based in kenya permanently with a major training camp near a place called samburu. the truth of matter is that what ever happened in somalia will eventually happen in kenya and ethiopia. ethiopia will fall apart peacefully as already enshrined in their constitution by zinawi, he is prepared to leave ethiopia like his cousin afworki once his final loot is done. in kenya there is ethnic cleansing happening as we discuss and each tribe have already moved back to their enclaves with each tribe fighting for state house their equivalent of villa somalia...the dominant tribe the kikuyus are prepared to go down with kenya than leave state house just as zinawi and his men are in ethiopia. The civil wars in those countries will coincide with when somalia is just about to stand on its feet again...mark my words...       somalipeace10 @ 8/19/2011 11:18 PM EST  "Somalis are very smart dignified people and their current problem is only temporary." That is very true.     momo519 @ 8/19/2011 8:23 PM EST   HOL, This kind of article and some other rubbish that  appeared in the past should not be posted! It's time for HOL to have editorial board who scan through article that are worth posting!     fiqicigaal @ 8/19/2011 7:52 PM EST  BTW Zahra, don't mind Holac's freak thoughts, he is xenophobic who is known to show off in the forum to seak attention in a fo*lish way.     fiqicigaal @ 8/19/2011 7:28 PM EST  Dear Zahra, It is never too late to have your say and defend your corner /our corner from the likes of professor ugaali if you know what  i mean. I personally never expected Kenyans to be like that, unfriendly and cruel to all Somalis directly or indirectly especially to our folks who are their next door neighbours and who have suffered silently in the hands of Kenyan regimes for many years. I enjoyed reading your article but the one thing that stood out in my mind is where you wrote, “Guys, I mean you Kenyans, we are neighbors, we share a land which is originally “ours”. That is very true.     Holac @ 8/19/2011 6:28 PM EST  Kenyans are Bantus and South Somalis are no different. The only Somalis who have links with Arabia are the bin Hashim Sheikh Ishaq al Awali in Somaliland. They are the ones who added old Somalia to the Arab League and dominate Arab business market, the rest loot and come as refugees. Arabs are tired of deporting them to bantu capital Mogadishu.

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