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@ 1/28/2015 5:48 PM EST  You must login first..     topclan @ 7/9/2014 3:19 PM EST  Ahmed Said The current constitution is provisional and there will be a vote on it, so why not have vote on federalism, too?     topclan @ 7/9/2014 1:38 PM EST  Ahmed Said Federal deal or no deal? Can I ask the audience? Let's ask the Somali people, let's put it to a referendum.     topclan @ 7/9/2014 11:30 AM EST  somaliweyn123 I have never been interested in any thing to do with clans so it irritated me that every Somali sites were full of clannish comments.  So I took the name topclan to make a point but everybody took it literally and sadly the name stuck. I am statist and maybe a little regionalist but not clannish. All human beings are biased, it is not enough to say to that someone is biased, you have to show how are they biased. The key point of the article has not being adequately challenged, but all we are seeing is people just calling the author clannish or biased.  You have first to challenge the key points of the article before you can say whether its biased or not.     somaliweyn123 @ 7/9/2014 11:11 AM EST  author not auther     somaliweyn123 @ 7/9/2014 10:31 AM EST  topclan. That name is clannish, isn't it? And who is the bottom clan? I certainly do judge any article I read on its contents and most of all I judge it on whether it is bias or fair and there is nothing wrong with that. If like this auther, a person shows/writes clannish view then by all means I will not hesitate to throw it out and tell him that his view is biased and out of order. Don't assume that Ulusu and the auther are from different clans if you do not know it for sure that will be misleading. Wrong to call me biased when I haven't said anything bias and that makes you bias and a jump up. Ramadan Karim.       topclan @ 7/8/2014 11:36 AM EST  When I read some articles or comments that I think are biased my reaction is emotional at first but when I give my self a bit of time I start to rationalise their points of view and counter the opinion not the person.     topclan @ 7/8/2014 11:27 AM EST  We are on a level playing field. To assume that some clans or some individuals from a different clan to you are more clannish is ridiculous.     topclan @ 7/8/2014 11:20 AM EST  You must start from a point of view that we are either all clannish or none of us are.     topclan @ 7/8/2014 11:03 AM EST  somaliweyn123 I never judge an article purely on whether it's biased, I judge it on whether its facts are correct or whether it has a point. If there are two points of view it is normal to be biased towards your own point of view. You are biased too otherwise you wouldn't be so quick to condemn him and Uluso who are I assume are from a different clan to you. The people who are most sensitive to being biased are the ones who first accuse others of being biased.     somaliweyn123 @ 7/8/2014 7:23 AM EST  I am sick and tired of biased articles like this one and the ones by Ulusu all in the name of cl*n. All we want from any article regardless of who wrote what is the facts and not some mumbo jumbo with a deliberate attempt to push a particular clan point of view. The auther is the biggest hypocrite of the century. On one hand he is blaming some folks of being clanist while on the same setting he is advocating for a cl*n and wants us to believe his lies. No Mr, I oppose your false propaganda against everything this government stands for.     topclan @ 7/7/2014 1:25 PM EST    Mahare_Is_Here   The majority of people from a region might be from a particular clan but they never had a clan state serving the interest as they would have in clan federalism. A clan may be the majority in a region but they never exercised power or had borders with other Somali clans. You are defending clan federalism because some clans are the Majority of the population in some regions. Not only are you not defending clan federalism but it seems that you are encouraging it too. A region doesn't belong to a particular clan because they are the majority.   Sorry to have to comment like this but it's HOL.     topclan @ 7/7/2014 1:22 PM EST  I think some have confused dictatorship and communism with the central system of government that is used by the vast majority of countries in the world. This is about clan power and there is no better way to harness it than in clan federalism.     topclan @ 7/7/2014 1:20 PM EST  Mahare_Is_Here If you are trying to condemn someone by using their quote you have to at least make sure it's right. You misread his article because he didn't say "there must be two regions or more that has administrations", he said the Provisional Constitution of Somalia clearly states that two regions or more can establish federal units, however, the process has to be voluntary and there must be two regions or more that has administrations that can truly represent the people in the area.     siinay @ 7/5/2014 2:45 AM EST  Conflict and clan mentality will not lead us to peace and prosperity. One thing we should all fear is outsiders making decision of our future. UN.IGAD. Ethiopia And Kenya is not honestly our friend they are our enemies!!!     Nuunow @ 7/4/2014 12:55 PM EST  HOL, What happened to my response to Mahare?     Mahare_Is_Here @ 7/4/2014 5:37 AM EST  Nuunoow On one hand you saying "Centralism is dead" and at the same time critisising to decentralise Somalia. Those who call "Cl4n fiefdom" know better. Put Somalia into any system that we know and still we will have "Cl4n fiefdom" including the worst system "Dictatorshiip". The reality is Hargaisa will always be Isaaq City, Boosaaso Harti city, Baladweyn Hawiye city and Baidao Raxanweyn city, no matter which system you come up, Somalis will live the way they live now. I want Somalis to be free from dependence! They depend on government handouts, clan, cousins pocket, NGO, international organisations, neighbors and on. That is why everyone is f1ghting to have member of the clan to be in a higher post in the government just to feel important. They don't even get a penny for it but still they are on the streets arguing about injust and left out. Us who need Somalia to be, not only, centralised but to be free from any feeling of inquality and mistrust want distribute the system to local level. Every househalls, every city, every district, every region to have role on creating jobs for their boys/girls, how to manage their resource, who to deal with, which comany they think is giving them more apportunity and so on! I don't even feel confortable with the way federalism is formed now in Somalia. What we have now is centralised federalism and that is wrong. It has to go deeper to local level. I don't and will neve accept to queue in a line at presidents office, district commisioners office, local offices to ask permission for creating jobs or diging a well!! That way I will never blame others for my  mistakes and misfortunes.     Nuunow @ 7/4/2014 4:00 AM EST  Mahare, Centralism is a dead beef and burried with Siyad's regime, so is the era that Mogadishu was the center of the universe. Those days are long gone and are not coming back whether "Hawiye" like it or not. One can dream about it, though. Federalism is a system widely known and practiced across the world and is considered as being the pre-eminent means of achieving decentralisation within a country, and thus can be useful and effective in countries like Somalia. However, the Somali version of the federalism is totally another issue that quite many Somalis aren't fond of because its so twisted and misinterpreted to the point that it makes no sense at all anymore -> causes inequality, mistrust, more bloodshed, etc. Argue or oppose the federal system (read: clan fiefdom system), which I think is very questionable and controversial issue and you get "somalidiid" stamp on your face. What happened to freedom of mind and speech? Are we going back to medieval/authoritarian era? Remember the current constitution is still provisional and therefore is liable to alteration, and so is the federal concept. Critical but open and creative debate is needed to mediate the difference of the supporters and the opposions, who are discontent with federal concept before prior to finilization and fully deployment. The idea of individual liberty and making decisions locally sounds great but we've long way to go before we come to that. And no, we can't afford the vicious circle, necessary measurement need to be taken in order to move forward.     Mahare_Is_Here @ 7/3/2014 5:28 PM EST  I said "Lousy point" not "a point"!!! He made an assumption that the agreement was wrong and then to justify he recited the constitution and lied about it. Where in the constitution does it say "there must be two regions or more that has administrations". No bro!  It says two or more regions can form federal state if the people living there choose so. In the south we have a devils circle and it's always kinda "which came first, the chicken or the egg". Anyone standing outside the circle will say XABAD KA SOCO MAA, when you bring them in the cycle with the help of bribe and bait you loose the ones inside and they will in their term say WAA BAROOBIHEENAA!!!! So, the world that feeds those morons can't stand a side and say let us wait until all of them are in the circle. They will decide which region will join another to make state. You have one obtion to try to be part of that creation and put your concerns forward, but if you refuse to so, you will be seen as spoiler!!!! Afur wanaagsan guys!!!!     sonofsomalia @ 7/3/2014 4:52 PM EST  Topclan,   The author of this book was trying to show the methodology of that smilling fool in Villa Somalia is not just passive to robery of the Somali Republic, but rather playing active role. For example, when the International Community promised him 2.4 Billion in funding if he recognized the Kenyan puppet he flew to Adis to personally sign the deal. Now he must be promised something else to put that Ethiopian Lackey and his half brother in charge of the South West.     topclan @ 7/3/2014 4:21 PM EST  Mahare_Is_Here "So, Boss I don't see more than one lousy point!!!!" So, what is your point? This is how we are going engage each other, right? By simply condemning some one's opinion and flatly refusing to counter their opinion with reason.     Mahare_Is_Here @ 7/3/2014 4:05 PM EST  Well, all is just one unthought reason. First he makes a hypothetic statement with negative view points, then he goes to number 2 to justify his first point, goes to number three and negates his number 2 point, goes to number 4 and explains the number 2 point in clannish way, goes number 5 repeats his number 2 point and then divides number 5 to make a point number 6 and ends with numbers 7 to make things worse. So, Boss I don't see more than one lousy point!!!!     topclan @ 7/3/2014 3:50 PM EST  Mahare_Is_Here He does veer into clannish or  Somalism as one might call it, but the main points of the article are right. Having a quarter of the Somali population not being part of federalism system is unjust and unworkable. Most of the world puts more importance on population rather than territory, so why not in Somalia? No one words can as true as these in Somalia today: No system is better than other, provided that the implementation of that system is fair and just. Which ever system Somalis chooses it must favour no one.     topclan @ 7/3/2014 3:27 PM EST  Dab Shid Somali people are fighting over something has been sold to foreigners and will be sold to foreigners in the future. What happened to Egypt oil and gas or even worse will happen to Somalia if we don't stop it now.     topclan @ 7/3/2014 3:10 PM EST   The Provisional Constitution of Somalia clearly states that two regions or more can establish federal units, however, the process has to be voluntary and there must be two regions or more that has administrations that can truly represent the people in the area. The agreement of the formation of SW3 State is against the constitution and therefore, has no legal basis to represent or have the legitimacy of the people in the area. 2.Leaders of the country were fully well aware that Abdifatah Mohamed Ibrahim (Gesey) didn’t have the legitimacy to represent SW6, as the President of SW6 Madobe Nunow sacked him a day before the signing of the agreement. This is immoral from the part of Somali leaders and the international communities that were present at the ceremony, as they partly signed the agreement. 3.The agreement is illegal as the people in the area were not consulted. The people in Lower Shabelle already decided their destiny and formed Shabelle State of Somalia voluntarily. 4.The two signatories of the agreement are the same clan (sub clan of Mirifle, Hadame & Leesaan) and this gives them a mandate and authority while ignoring other clans in the area who were not giving an opportunity to be represented in the agreement. Another word, Somali leaders and the Special Representative of the Secretary General of the UN, the EU Ambassador, Ethiopian Ambassador, IGAD Special Envoy to Somalia and all present ignored the call from other clans and deliberately decided to give the mandate to one clan. 5.The SW6 President, H.E. Madobe Nunow immediately rejected the agreement and said that no one from SW6 was legitimately representing them in the agreement. 6.The people in Baidoa city immediately rejected the agreement. 7.Minister of Interior & Federalism, H.E. Abdullahi Godah Barre spoke to VOA and BBC and stated that the agreement is unconstitutional and that the Ministry of Interior wasn’t aware of the agreement. The Ministry of Interior has the mandate to all issues of Federalism in Somalia and this shows that the Federal Government of Somalia is acting in a manner that undermines the institutional development of Somalia. I want you to answer them one by one. Can you even answer one of them?     Mahare_Is_Here @ 7/3/2014 2:42 PM EST  topclan Don't blind your self and see between the fingers. Read the article again and count how many times the author attacked another cl4n. And what are the seven reasons you are referring to? I see only one reason repeated seven times.     Mahare_Is_Here @ 7/3/2014 2:32 PM EST  Nuunoow I have no idea how came to the conclusion that I was "PROMOTING DICTATORSHIP TENDENCIES". On the contrary, I'm promoting freedom for individual level. And god seeks I'm not even happy with the federalism that most of my federal lovers trying to achieve or happy with. I want to go further and say we need individual liberty in Somalia. I want even the country site folks to determine which company they deal with if they suspect they have oil in their backyard and make decision of their own territory with out begging and waiting bureaucrats to decide their faith. That way we can eliminate cl4n dependence and some member of the distance family sitting in Mogadishu calling him self the family parliamentarian when he/she doesn't even know the area he/she represents geographically. The bottom line of my former post wasn't to dictate anyone, but to say we can't be in the hands of doubters, paranoid folks, self h4ting individuals who will say "NO" to everything and anything. You will always hear from them, Why now, Why rush, if we are don't lead waa baroomineenaa and on and on!!! Can we afford to be in that situation?, for how long?, 2 more years? 5? or we just give up and say unless everyone in Somalia is happy we go around in this circle line     sonofsomalia @ 7/3/2014 2:24 PM EST  Nuunow & Topclan    Don't waste your time reasoning with people who are limited in their vision. They likely did not even read the article and started immediately on the defend the tribe mentality. They think hypocrisy wins the day and so they stick to it.       topclan @ 7/3/2014 2:00 PM EST  The author of this article says The agreement of South West State in Somalia is illegal, immoral and unconstitutional  and gave seven reasons why that is. Instead of contesting them Somali people have gone their default position attacking other clans and name calling.There is no one with common sense who could defend this agreement.     Nuunow @ 7/3/2014 7:41 AM EST  Mahare, Aren't you promoting "dictatorship tendencies" through your "you're either with us, or against us" kind of attitude? Do I need to remind you what happened last time when Afweyne exhibited dictatorship tendencies and the consequences that followed? Granted some of self-proclaimed "Hawiye elders" are meddlers (qaswadayaal) but to deny rights of citizens to express their entitled opinion and call them irrelevant is silly and unwise. Not a single clan, be the smallest one, can be ignored or its rights disregarded in Somali politics. If that is not the case then we might as well head the direction of Somaliland and declare dozens of independent mini-countries of former Somalia.     Mahare_Is_Here @ 7/3/2014 5:49 AM EST  Are Hawiye intelectuals keep saying "NO WAY" to every agreement? How long can they keep hold this nation for a ransom? Every time I read an article writen by Southern intelectual I ask my self, when will the positive southern intelectuals(if they exist) come forward and write about resurrecting this nation from the ashes!!! Here are the agreements they said "NO WAY, WAA BAROOMAA, XABAD KA SOCO MAA" and this article is an example, check the first three words of the article! It's just repitetion of What Axmed Diiriye said couple of days ago. -Somalis agreeing to be federal -The constitution -Jubaland agreements -SW agreements -Puntland petroleum agreements or international connections. -International intenventions of any kind and many more The funny thing is they all gone through with or without their consensus. So maybe they are irrelevent anymore!!! KEEP SAYING "WAA BAROOMIHEENAA"!!!!!     FiqiJin @ 7/2/2014 10:28 PM EST   Sonofsomalia, After reading what you posted below, all I can say is: thanks to Allah for making me a Muslim, who believes that God is one! What I don't understand is that why are you with Ethiopia if you are a Somali?     FiqiJin @ 7/2/2014 10:16 PM EST  To all who cry about Somalia being run by foreigners, where were you when the Somali morons took over the Villa Somalia and then, rather than govern, looted the whole country and brought down the Somali nation. Foreigners are not responsible for our own stupidity. Thanks to Hawiye, Somali nation is destroyed.     FiqiJin @ 7/2/2014 10:10 PM EST  Never had I read such naked tribalism like presented in this article by this character. Are we in the jungle. You cannot gain Hawiye lands which they never belonged to. Nor is the president a president of Hawiye. He is the president of all Somalis.     stickorcarrot @ 7/2/2014 2:50 PM EST  Nin qabyaaladi sixirtay cadho u dheertahay malaha tamar la'aanina hayso. Nin baa wuxuu oran jiray anigu tuugga waan aqaanaayoo siduu wax u eegaan ka gartaa. Haatan anigu ninkan meeshuu u socdaa waa cadaan. Qoraalkiisay ka muuqataa. Majeerteen UF Ogaadeen UF wixii wax ka maqla uf Shabeele ninkii xoog ku degan baa leh. Nin kalana wax laga waydiin maayo!     FiqiJin @ 7/2/2014 12:13 PM EST  What a load of crap this monkey brained has presented here. Never had I read so much naked tribalism and primitiveness than is spewed by the author of this garbage article. What does this man think about the president, a president of his clan?       sonofsomalia @ 7/2/2014 11:03 AM EST  That was Menelik writing to the European Powers.     sonofsomalia @ 7/2/2014 11:01 AM EST  Ethiopia has been for fourteen centuries a Christian island in a sea of pagans. If powers at a distance come forward to partition Africa between them, I do not intend to be an indifferent spectator. As the Almighty has protected Ethiopia up to this day, I have confidence He will continue to protect her, and increase her borders in the future . I am certain He will not suffer her to be divided among other Powers. Formerly the boundary of Ethiopia was the sea. Having lacked strength sufficient, and having received no help from Christian Powers, our frontier on the sea coast fell into the power of the Muslim-man. At present we do not intend to regain our sea frontier by force, but we trust that the Christian Power, guided by our Saviour, will restore to us our sea-coast line, at any rate, certain points on the coast . Written at Addis Ababa, the 14 th Mazir, 1883 (10 th April, 1891).     Nuunow @ 7/2/2014 10:45 AM EST  Dab Shid, "Teeda kale anıgu dadka waxaan ku qıyaasaa muuqaalkooda marka tan ıyo ıntıı uu faarax saaxııbkıı uu madaxweyne noqday ma cayılay sıda dadka qaarkıı markıı masuul laga dhıgo barara?, Jawaabtu waa maya." Duqa, wallee ishaad ka riday, kkkkk! Sxb, Aw-koombe iyo Aw-kuukuu maxaa kuu gala? loool!     Nuunow @ 7/2/2014 10:40 AM EST  Wixii xunba Xaawo (President Hassan) ayaa leh miyaa arintu, war anagaa balaayo aragnay. Daaroodka waxeey leeyihiin waa qabiiliiste, Hawiyaha iyo DF sidoo kale, ee bal heedhe ninku waa qabiilkee? Shabelle State halkee nooga timid oo goorma la'aasaasay? Yeey yihiin "Hawiye Politician" la sheegayo? Systemka Federalka ah (Somali's twisted version) uu ruux walba sidoo rabo u fasiranaayo inuu dhib mahee wax kale keeneyn horaan u sheegay.

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