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@ 1/28/2015 5:48 PM EST  You must login first..     topclan @ 4/4/2014 3:53 PM EST  Hussein A Mohamed Your arguments are very selective and the arguments you make against SWSS can easily be made against any of the other self proclaimed states including IJA. I have tried to tell people many times that the agreement between IJA and FGS has not made Jubba and Gedo a federal state. It is an interim administration as the name says and it is for those people to decide destiny and what state they want to build. There's no way of democratically building states because the territories claimed by self proclaimed states are in the hands of Al-Shabaab. If being in control of a region or territory makes you legitimate then like A. HASSAN said the FGS doesn't have the right rule Somalia. And does that make Al-Shabaab the real government of Somalia as they're in control of most of the country?     topclan @ 4/4/2014 2:29 PM EST  A. HASSAN Your logic has just destroyed Hussein A Mohamed. This is the best logic on HOL I have heard.     topclan @ 4/4/2014 2:19 PM EST  Hussein A Mohamed "Question: What do you think you can accomplish by creating /claiming to create a state that includes other regions clearly not under your control? and If you are against the creation of Juba state or how it was created or issue with the number of regions it is said to control do you think just creating another state that also claims some of jubaland's (all) of region is the right course? Did you bring your greivances to the attention of the federal government and or parliament?" All of them including the IJA are claiming regions they don't control. A precedent has been set by creation of IJA and the shotgun wedding between FGS and IJA in Addis Ababa. Somali parliament is a do nothing parliament while the FGS doesn't have the power solve to anything as proven by the agreement in Addis Ababa.     topclan @ 4/4/2014 12:10 PM EST  Ali Kukai The whole point is for all these regional states to fight to death.  In Somali there is not a clan that has won the war while there are other clans claiming the same territory.     secular @ 4/3/2014 12:39 PM EST  I would stop anyone who profits from the misery of sick people. Maxaa geeyey Hargeisa? Faduul !     FiqiJin @ 4/3/2014 12:19 PM EST  Secular, But that lady was the daughter of Jirde Hussein, the rich Somali. But if what you said is so, then I don't blame the Sunland authorities!     secular @ 4/3/2014 12:14 PM EST  Fiqi, I saw him say, on TV, to our poor people in the diaspora "come to my clinic in London, and if can't treat you here I will take you to Germany"! I might be wrong to say that he is not qualified, but for sure he portrays himself like a beacon of medical knowledge, which he isn't. He and his local partners wanted to make a quick buck out of the misery of him fellow countrymen by collecting upfront cash from patients.     FiqiJin @ 4/3/2014 10:44 AM EST  Secular, I wanted to ask you what you thought about what it happened with Dr. Mao-Aweys in Hargeisa, whose picture and ad I see on this website. I watched the video, and while I did not like what was done to the Dr. by some in Sunland, I was moved by that lady and the man in the video for standing up for what was right. Those reminded me of a Somali at his and her best in the old Somali tradition of code of hospitality. They showed the whole world the arrogance and pigheadedness of many in the Sunland place, God!     FiqiJin @ 4/3/2014 10:30 AM EST  Secular, What I haven't understood yet is all these 6 regions. I think it is wrong to allow six regions, even if they were well-intentioned, to create a super big region. I think Somalia is not ready for that yet.     secular @ 4/3/2014 9:57 AM EST  Fiqi, We are all apparently interested in a united country, but all we do is try to achieve something "geometrically" impossible : paralell convergence! This Baydhabo storm, and others, were brewing while our man in charge was busy accumulating airmiles and his PM sleeping on the job. Sheekada 6.0 Vs 3.0 haddaan ku wareeray waxaan iri : "Dareeraa fadee" !     secular @ 4/3/2014 9:57 AM EST  Fiqi, We are all apparently interested in a united country, but all we do is try to achieve something "geometrically" impossible : paralell convergence! This Baydhabo storm, and others, were brewing while our man in charge was busy accumulating airmiles and his PM sleeping on the job. Sheekada 6.0 Vs 3.0 haddaan ku wareeray waxaan iri : "Dareeraa fadee" !     FiqiJin @ 4/3/2014 9:34 AM EST  Secular, Well said, man. Hopefully, waa lakala miirmi doonaa. All the hyenas will, hopefully, be poisoned to death. I am very hopeful for the future for all the Somalis. I must say that I am happy for our brother Topclan for recognizing his great sin of calling some Somalis as refugees. I welcome him for that!     secular @ 4/3/2014 8:59 AM EST  FiqJin, Kuwa hore oo aan maagay afka bar baan ku lugo'aye maad iga daysid. In any case, "something bad and unpredictable is about to befall on us" was the message I was trying to convey and the warning I wanted to issue! Midda kale , dhurwaa baa ku faanay baa la yiri, " reer nabad ku seexday, kaga salaliyow ani dheh"! Unfortunately, political-hyenas are not in short supply in the country and many will loose hours of sleep!     Nomadic Man @ 4/3/2014 5:00 AM EST  Nargale Why can't you just pop the man...instead of cutting his private parts and hang it on your bedroom wall...R u gay?     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 3:11 PM EST  Oday Secular, a That was too heavy Somali for a youngster for me. You have to break "Deglaa salaq leh" down for me!     secular @ 4/2/2014 2:41 PM EST  FiqiJin, Wallee Deglaa salaq leh!     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 1:47 PM EST  Topclan, I am back. Now you talking. I am glad you recognized your earlier mistakes and that you corrected them. Therefore, I agree that any warlord shouldn't be a president of anything! I also agree with the first 2 of the list. The rest all depend on the circumstance.     secular @ 4/2/2014 1:47 PM EST  Folks, Personally, I don't have stakes in the fertile valleys of the Jubbas and I'm not here to defend any clan's warlord/politician. The common hapless Somali creature is not, today, the master of his destiny (whether someone here flashes this notion or not) and "wax jid laga helay jiidjiid ma leh of Madoobe1" + "ku qabso ku qadimayside of Madoobe2" are identical strategies adopted to gain local power. Madoobe1 had the advantage of seizing the moment by jumping off the sinking boat of terrorism, fighting his former comrades, partially winning considerable battles (with help!) and signing a thin truce with the inept dwellers of Villa Somalia and their protectors. Madoobe2 is wrong to put the bar to high both for his political stature and improbability of success to realize his dream of being called "Mr Present". Topclan, Look, son, there is no clan leader without a " long rap sheet" and "the unborn father of Mr Clean has to first find a suitable mate".     topclan @ 4/2/2014 12:53 PM EST  Do we agree: .In one Somali state? .That every Somali can live, work and rule anywhere in Somalia? .That to use force to rule the people instead of asking for their consent is wrong? .That it is better to elect an intelligent man who understands local issues and can bridge the division between than being forced to accept an unintelligent warlord who knows nothing about the local and divides them apart.     topclan @ 4/2/2014 12:05 PM EST     FiqiJin  secular Listen I am not against Ahmed Madoobe peacefully living, working and even ruling anywhere in Somalia because I believe in one Somali state. What I am against is the use of force to rule the people whether it be FGS or a militia. Anyway the advice I would give to those who want peace and properity in Jubba is to get or preferably elect a man who is not a warlord, who understands the locals and can bridge the division between them.     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 11:44 AM EST   Top Listen, I will give you yet another proof: The Federal Government of Somalia, led by Hassan Sheikh fully endorsed this refugee man, as you claim. Everybody else is wrong except you.       topclan @ 4/2/2014 11:38 AM EST  FiqiJin WOW!!!That is the proof that Jubba is being ruled by its local inhabitants let alone its original local inhabitants!!! I find your inability to admit what even the IC knows that Madoobe is not from Jubba is quite ridiculous and sums up your claims.     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 11:35 AM EST  I know when Secular starts with "Folks" things are gotten bit out of hand.     secular @ 4/2/2014 11:30 AM EST  Folks, Ideally, one should call home in the municipality where he buys a property to live and set in shop. Idealy! However, in reality, Clan A claims a territory and Clan B claims an adjacent territory . Between the two turfs there is a no man's land, a twilight zone. Disputes arrise when greed sets in and one of the clans feels stronger and annexes the Twilight Zone! Topclan, I see many twilight zones between Baidoa and Kismayo, between B/Hababa and Afgoye, between Erigavo & Hargeisa, between the two halves of Galkayo, etc. and your absurd desire to " glue together rival clans" doesn't pass the litmus test. Unfortunately, the guy who should solve the Baidoa Affair went AWOL and couldn't miss the next flight!     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 11:25 AM EST  Topclan, I am still waiting an answer as to whom Kismayu belongs. Tell us please!     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 11:21 AM EST  Topclan, "On 2 April 2013, delegates at Kismayo conference were presented with a draft provisional constitution, which they overwhelming approved. On 15 May 2013, an overwhelming majority of 500 delegates of all clans elected Ahmed Mohamed Islam (Madobe) as the President of Jubaland." Are you saying that all the local clan elders are also refugees who elected the Sheikh--another refugee! What a load of crap!     topclan @ 4/2/2014 11:20 AM EST  FiqiJin They have been welcomed and accepted as brothers but now they are claiming it's their land and are trying to rule the original local inhabitants by force. How you claim Jubba and Kismayo belongs to Absame when IJA leade Madoobe and guvnor of Lower Jubba are from Ethiopia and Puntland respectively.     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 11:00 AM EST  Topclan, Firstly, a Somali in anywhere of Somalia is not a refugee. You should wash your mouth with soap. You tell me to whom Kismayo belongs. Hawiye? You are joking.     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 10:56 AM EST  Nuunow is going to rule six Somali regions. Wow, when have progressed so much that even just 2 regions could unite on anything?     topclan @ 4/2/2014 10:51 AM EST    FiqiJin   Now you are saying the refugees have more right than the original local inhabitants. Your claim that Jubba and Kismayo belongs to Absame is supported by the fact that leader of IJA Ahmed Madoobe and Lower Jubba govnor are from Ethiopia and Puntland respectively.     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 10:49 AM EST  Topclan, Mogadishu is a Hawiye city is a general statement. Just like people said Darood is in control when President Siyad was in power. Did that mean all Darood or all Mareehan were in power. No, it is simply a generalized statement. By the way did you really say   " best happen to Mogadishu was get rid of Daroods from the city." If you did, may I remind you that when Darood was there in the seat of power, Hawiye did not butcher each other as they did in Mogadishu in the 90s.     topclan @ 4/2/2014 10:38 AM EST    Nomadic Man   The people currently ruling Jubba are not from that region and have less right to rule there than people from Hargheisa. Are you sure you are not a refugee who was given shelter in Kismayo?  Jareer weyn have more right than anyone else but they are not in the equation because a warring clan. I believe all the people who inhabit an area should choose their leaders not only those who are the majority or those who have the most power. Mugadishu is not Hawiye city, its inhabitants may be mostly Hawiye but it doesn't belong to all Hawiye only those who live in Mugadishu.     FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 10:31 AM EST  General Aydeed tried that nonsense. Remember all his campaigns to the deep south. success was his at the beginning. Then he could not hold any place for too long. Have you any idea how many young men from Mogadishu and central Somalia lost their lives, never to be seen again, in those stupid campaigns of G. Aideed. When Hawiye failed on that enterprise, they turned the guns on each other-- a blood bath in Mogadishu. You know what happen to Aideed at the end.       FiqiJin @ 4/2/2014 10:11 AM EST  We Somali know each other. You name any city and we know what clan, to subclans level, that resides there. Kismayo is like Mogadishu. while any Somali of any clan can live there, the owners of such city are not only within the city but also all the surrounding area. Kismayo is predominantly an Absame, especially an Ogaden, city. Just like Jigjiga is an absame city. Anyone else who claims it will not succeed.     Nomadic Man @ 4/1/2014 11:41 PM EST  Just because you succeeded in looting and taking my property in Mugdisho doesn't mean you can take my city and State. As a resident of Kismayo i don't know a single Elaay that resides in the city of Kismayo other than S.N.M affiliate Shabaab Terrorists.     Nomadic Man @ 4/1/2014 11:24 PM EST  This is the second time the Federal Government is testing Jubbaland State of Somalia...they fail and they fail again. topclan Your excuse all time is Kenya...they not in Kismayo anymore.We've been talking for almost a year, let the talking stop and the actions begin.     Nomadic Man @ 4/1/2014 11:10 PM EST  topclan Jubbaland have nothing to do with this demonstration...so my question is why you claiming my state? Jubbaland State and Kismayo in particle is a Darood city just like Mugdisho is a Hawiiye city.     topclan @ 4/1/2014 3:58 PM EST  Ahmed Said You know that I have more right to rule Jubba than Raskambooni militia. Read my words carefully I said liberate which is what it is when you free yourself from occupation or military rule. This will also happen to Raskambooni militia in Jubba when its people get their rights back and can choose their own leaders instead of a militia holding power by force with the help of Kenya.     topclan @ 4/1/2014 2:43 PM EST    Nomadic Man   The demonstration are happening in Baidoba because it is the headquarters of Madoobe Nuunow administration and this where they faced their first challenge from FGS backed Shariif Sakiin administration and if they fail here their administration will not survive. Say what you like about the demonstrations in Baidoba but they are peaceful and the only killed person I heard of was a young boy. You would hope that peace prevails over violent. This peaceful demonstration shows that the people in Baydhaba are by nature peaceful and especially when compared to them to warring clans in Somalia Hawiye and Daarood. It is interesting how Secular says Ahmed Madoobe is reformed yet Nuunow and the peaceful demonstration are on the war path. Secular has obviously blinded himself to the violence that has being going on in Kismayo. Axmed Madoobe with a huge help form Kenya troops grabbed Kismayo by force and it looks like he will be trying to keep it by force too. I believe the Nuunow administration will be opposed by force by Ahmed Madoobe and Shariif Sakin by any legitimate way because he has way more legitimacy than both.     FiqiJin @ 4/1/2014 9:30 AM EST  A letter! KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK..........     secular @ 3/31/2014 10:49 PM EST  NMan, Nuunow, the author of this ill assembled letter needs reality check. It's easy to organize in you little turf a group of people and use them as a ladder to power. Inevitably, the "latest Madoobe" will cut a deal with followers of Ulusso and Sharp Knife! We can't afford another civil in this unfortunate part of this unfortunate country. The foot soldiers of yesterday's clan wars are now battle tested hardened warriors and there won't be neither valuable spoils of war nor victories to cherish.     Nomadic Man @ 3/31/2014 6:00 PM EST  Out of the six regions that they claim, Why is it only demonstration in Baidoa? This cheap propaganda that they think can fool Somali people is not going to work. These fools in the Bay want it the hard way.     Nuunow @ 3/31/2014 3:13 AM EST   On one hand, the SWSS project sounds like “ku qabso ku qadi meyside” greedy tactic. The idea of this tactic is to make as much noises as possible claiming that the SFG in Mogadishu (and the president, of course) is clannish to the bone and is against SWSS’s people will, and to threaten more civil war and bloodshed, and even go too far to secede, if/when necessary. This malicious tactic has worked for Jubba project (originally claimed 4 but settled for 3 regions state), and who knows it might work for SWSS as well (though it’s unclear how many regions would they settle for). On the other hand, the 6 regions SWSS project sounds as legitimate as any other current Somali federal states (Hiiraan, Galmudug, Puntland, etc) because it was established within the framework of the constitution, according to SWSS. So what justification will the government and AU come up for their ferocious opposition the SWSS? Both projects are so right, and yet so wrong -- whaaat? Sounds like inevitable dilemma of the fruits of clan-based federalism!!!!

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