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@ 1/28/2015 5:48 PM EST  You must login first..     FiqiJin @ 10/1/2014 1:43 PM EST  sonofsomalia, Agreed!     sonofsomalia @ 10/1/2014 11:31 AM EST  Fiqi   Here is the problem, what happened happened, we are where we are, so lets move one. Ethiopia not only developed the rebels in each clan, but continues to freeze our rebel reality with tribal enclaves now called Federal States, with the blessing of Mr. Key and his elk. So fiqi, your arguments against your sibling Dhugtame, is just that, useless arguments between siblings on what happened.       FiqiJin @ 9/30/2014 8:33 PM EST  Siyad regime, I believe, has killed more Majeerteen, who opposed him, than Isaaq. Yet, you never hear the Majeerteen cry about it or use it as an excuse to destroy Somali unity.     FiqiJin @ 9/30/2014 8:28 PM EST  Sonofsomalia, This idiot has invoked the Nazi regime, which killed 12 million human beings. The fact is his clan, along other Somali clans, went to Ethiopia to get trained and armed. The SNM came back, and instead of engaging a gorilla warfare, and headed straight to big towns, like Burro and Hargeisa. No government is going to allow armed terrorist thugs to takeover its towns. The government did not just shell or bomb innocents one morning. SNM started that war in the midst of civilians. For days, there were warnings for civilians to get out of the area. My point is, the SNM has equal responsibility for the deaths of those innocents killed by the government, which no one should excuse. Also, the SNM has massacred refugees from Ethiopia, who were also innocents.     sonofsomalia @ 9/30/2014 8:02 PM EST  Dhugtame     For one who understand the Somali drama, it boggles the mind why you want to leave the show. If I were you I would use the knowledge to fight your enemies, unite with your friends and lead the nation, not lock yourself in the closed for 20 yea     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/30/2014 12:19 PM EST  Fiqijin, It is all over. And like alshabaab cult the idea of Northwest Somalia separating from the union is dead and buried. Let us not forget that Awdal State and Khaatumo State have emerged and it is the formation of those states that broke SNM’s back. The rest is history.     FiqiJin @ 9/30/2014 11:59 AM EST  Fiqi & Top These Qalaadiin will do and say anything to split off of Somalia.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/30/2014 11:02 AM EST  Dhugtame Stop it khaldaan, you are waste of space! All you do is scribble incomprehensible words and post it. I guess you must be the only one who believes there was khaldaan genocide.     topclan @ 9/30/2014 10:21 AM EST  I should not have shown the article in Al-Jazeera claiming 200,000 or 60,000 people were killed by Siyad Barre. I didn't think people would take these claims as fact because it clearly shows that were investigating forensically the dead bodies of 38 people. At first the numbers staggered me, that's why I said if it were true it is genocide. But when you think about the number of dead being claimed, you realise that it is unlike to be true that for more than twenty years they wouldn't have a signifigant graveyard. If that many people had been killed you would expect to find them everywhere. The only war crime that has any validity is the bombing of Hargeisa, but that a war crime not a genocide.     FiqiJin @ 9/30/2014 9:37 AM EST  Shame on you comparing yourself with German Jews. 6 million were rounded up and gassed. You are not even close.     FiqiJin @ 9/30/2014 9:05 AM EST  Just to expose the Qaldaan lies, here is the proof that about 5000 lives were lost in Hargeisa and its surroundings. It was not even a fraction of a genocide. Here are the anthropologists who dug the bones: http://www.cja.org/article.php?list=type&type=287 Stop the stupid lies and inflating the actual deaths. Naturally, one innocent death is one too many. However, you cannot turn 5000 into 60 or 200k.     Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 7:24 AM EST  I do not need to say more ..End, finish and case closed!!!!     Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 7:09 AM EST  Now I'm talking to the smart and decent Somalis and not anyone else. Remember the following words regretting words by one smart guy of another era: When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.     Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 6:54 AM EST  We all know that Jigjiga is much closer to Hargeisa both culturally and distance wise than Puntland, Kismayo and Gaarisa. So, why there is a secret close political networking between Jigjiga, Puntland, Khatumo-fugitives, Kismayo and Garissa and ministers from those regions in the Federal Somalia government, while there is no networking going on with either Somaliland or the remaining Somalia regions with these aforementioned entities? if for real the Siad orphans are for Somali unity and federalism then why do they all was grumble and oppose Mogadishu remaining the Federal capital? Does the picture look clearer know? mise tolow anaa walane Cadanbaa laga heesayaa >       Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 5:17 AM EST  I'm astonished,dismayed and saddened to see no one from Somalia standing up to these Afweyne orphans, when they use words like Qaldaan, Somalideed, one clan state and other bigotry names, the same words used by Siad Barre in the 80s and during his campaign to commit genocide in Somaliland. Wouldn't that be considered as condoning and celebrating the actions that dictatorial regime?       Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 4:53 AM EST  Without going to more specifics, because I do not have much time and space and I think you also don't. Let us say for argument sake, they're against the disunity of the failed Somali Republic, a noble thing to some. But why are they against formation of central regions, because the central regions are for unity and federalism? why are they against the six regions in the South West? Why is Puntland instigating wars in Galmudug a neighborly Federal state? Why are they constantly challenging Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and twisting his arm? Oh, I forgot he is Moryaan, Galmudug is Mooryaan, the six region in South West are Ellay and Somalilanders are Qaldaan. In other words, they don't belong to Afweyn orphans' club.     Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 3:11 AM EST  The strategy of the Afweyne orphans is not denying the genocide committed against Somalilanders, because they understand that everybody knows about it. Moreover, their strategy is not really about the opposition to Somaliland sovereignty these are only camouflages and blurring smokescreens. Their strategy is to tear down the links that unite the Somalia people and the links that unite the peoples of Somaliland and Somalia. They think that will work for them very well. But they forget that one day the Kenyan soldiers will leave Kismayo, the African forces will not be in Somalia forever. Therefore, they must now worry about the consequences of their present deeds and stop this madness before it is too late.     Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 2:52 AM EST  Intelligent Somalis beware of the cheap tactics of Afweyne orphans!! To understand the Afweyne orphans' strategy and their malicious way of thinking, please reread this thread and other threads and articles on HOL . This people do not care whether Somalia burns down or not, all they care about is to recover the lost privileges no matter what. Baroortu orgigga ka weeyn!     Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 2:34 AM EST  The Siad Barre orphans are not against Somaliland sovereignty per se. But they are doing this by creating hatred and inflaming old unhealed wounds and use words like Somalideed, Qaldaan ....to mobilize the non Daarood's agaist Isaaqs, while they solidify their positions. That is FACT.     Dhugtame @ 9/30/2014 2:26 AM EST  I think the intelligent, self-confident and self-respecting readers on this forum got the facts about the Siad Barre orphans, their intentions and where they want to take the Somali people is obvious. Puntland and Jubaland are not created in good faith and the federal system is not supported for the benefits for all Somali people. The ulterior motives of these ppl is to bit Somalis against one another to realize their goals and they deceitfully wrap their backs with blue flag.       FiqiJin @ 9/29/2014 7:10 PM EST  This Qaldaan lies and lies. 60k or 200k, really? It was about 5 thousand maximum. So let us not exaggerate or call it a genocide. What is any of the crimes of a dictator or his military regime got to do with the union or south and north. Your clan is not the only one which was mascaraed. Stop the constant crybaby tears here.       Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 5:49 PM EST  Topclan, 60,000 is not a smaller number it is probably the size of Puntland and Galmudug population. 200,000 is about the population of Puntland + Galmudug + half Hiiraan regions.Imagine these many people were eradicated by the Somalia national, would some of you be denying that a genocide took place? and when you see ppl denying it on daily bases would you want to have anything in common with these ppl?     Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 4:54 PM EST  Sonofsomalia, You wouldn't say this if the army you built with your tax money massacred 200.000 ppl of your own clan. That is what destroyed the union Somaliland brought by in good faith. This is not the same as the clan warfares (like what takes place in Somalia), this was an attempt of annihilation.       sonofsomalia @ 9/29/2014 4:34 PM EST  People, what does it matter, every somali clan, every somali city is on the same boat. The boat to no where but foreign occupation. Its like watching the Titanic sinking slowly while her passengers are arguing who stole what and who gets the port side window. Its clear, the reason Somalia will never settle, is because her people are cursed, is like watching a murderer losing sleep.       topclan @ 9/29/2014 3:59 PM EST  http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/02/investigating-genocide-somaliland-20142310820367509.html If the allegations are true and the dead body reaches 200,000 or even 60,000, then there is no doubt in my mind that it's a genocide.     Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 3:20 PM EST  Topclan, Here are the definitions:genocide ˈdʒɛnəsʌɪd/Submit noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group. "a campaign of genocide" synonyms: racial killing, massacre, wholesale slaughter, mass slaughter, wholesale killing, indiscriminate killing; mass murder, mass homicide, mass destruction, annihilation, extermination, elimination, liquidation, eradication, decimation, butchery, bloodbath, bloodletting; pogrom, ethnic cleansing, holocaust, Shoah; literaryslaying; rarebattue, hecatomb     Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 3:12 PM EST  Read his logic, he is trying to convince the readers that I'm using multiple usernames, which is ridiculous.I do not know those other guys and I do not remember reading their comments. I went back on this thread and saw no trace of the commentators he is writing about. Suppose I was using multiple usernames, I wouldn't be as stupid as him to support my previous comment with a new one. Now, its obvious who has no creativity or contribution to make in this forum and it is Fiqiduufle.       topclan @ 9/29/2014 3:09 PM EST  Nuunow   In terms of what has been said I have read a lot of accusations but not enough details of what kind of crime was commited. Was it genocide or what is a massacre? Maybe it's well known to you but it's not well known to others. You have to give us details.     Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 2:49 PM EST  Nuunow, I agree with you, this is going nowhere, because Fiqduufle has a hidden agenda but has no courage or the mental capacity to articulate it in a polite and convincing way. He is trying dishonorably to pimp one Somali clan against other - a shameful thing of the past and a well know tactics of the deposed Siad Barre and Dafle's yesteryear. He does not care about Somali blood being shed here or there, his sole motive is to suck more Somali blood.     Nuunow @ 9/29/2014 2:17 PM EST  Folks, Give it a rest - your "debate" is not going anywhere! Topclan, Those horrendous crimes happened and there is nothing unclear about them! - Genocide happened in Hargeisa, its fact and written in all history books - Ogaden refugees and others were killed and some deported back to the hands of Ethiopia by Somaliland and Puntland as well. That is a well-known fact.     topclan @ 9/29/2014 1:43 PM EST  It's unclear based on what has been said whether the attacks o Hargheisa was genocide or massacre. It's also unclear if SNM murdered refugees. We have heard a lot of accusations from both sides without really getting to the real details of what kind of crimes if any have been commited.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/29/2014 1:38 PM EST  Dhugtame aka Egeh aka arbe is caught red handed with multiple usernames and cannot deny it.  Egeh you are busted!!!     Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 1:05 PM EST  Fiqiduufle, Listen to yourself talking about Khatumo, what is Khatumo? it only exists in your little unreasonable brain, in the London single mothers' brains, who pay for Ali Billeh's poorly cooked meals and given to him in a hiding in the cave in Ethiopia, which he uses as hiding place, bedroom and toilet.     Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 12:53 PM EST  Fiqduufle, Civility is the thing you lack most, falsifications and fabrications of history is your trade mark. You know nothing but the horrible bed time stores you heard as a child, while drinking from your harm milk bottle.There are many respectful and intelligent people on this forum, but you're not one of them.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/29/2014 12:36 PM EST  ...... but sadly some people act like hyenas they will never be tamed stupidity is in their genes and we have them in abundance here on Hol like Dhugtame aka Egeh aka arbe and few others.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/29/2014 12:23 PM EST  Good old days! When I joined this forum years ago it was simply a matter of being in touch with people to socialise and exchange views and ideas. I have met good folks and wonderful decent persons on here, but there are loads I will never respond to, bad news is what I call them. You see, it is perfectly reasonable to expect in modern Somalia that people treat each other with civility wherever they might be on the internet (social networks), in the streets, in mosques, in cinemas, etc,     sonofsomalia @ 9/29/2014 12:11 PM EST  Guys, this is why foreigners are leading the country, it takes less than 5 minutes for Somalis to find something to argue each other with. Once a colleague of mine joked, horn africa would be calmer if only one somali lived there. In stead of countering Mr.Key's assertions and patronizing speech here you are arguing about civil wars and who hurt who, as if you are stick in this never ending trans of self hating and delusions of victimization.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/29/2014 11:46 AM EST  ......a mo*on who lacks any realistic long-term goals as he is known to support clan secessionists,  an idea that is dead and buried as Khatuumo appears larger than life on the horizon which leaves nothing for the mindless SNM separatists  but only to keep chasing that out of date elusive recognition with no end in sight.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/29/2014 11:43 AM EST  Mean people are all around us. And the worst of all imbeciles is Dhugtame aka Egeh who is only out there in Hol to perform an act of profanity a typical character of a nutter to satisfy his own psychological issues, ....     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/29/2014 11:06 AM EST  How do you deal with a khaldaan psychopath on the loose? Ma wadaadaa laga cuudiyaa? ma taxaliil baa loo tufa? ma xirsi jows baa loo xidhaa? ma xabsiga dadka waalan baa loo taxaabaa?       Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 6:11 AM EST  Fiqiduufle, If you do not believe my version of the story of the Faqash defeat, then go and ask Morgan, who was the military commander in Hargeisa and now lives in Nairobi with his brother-in-law and bed-mate "General" Maslah Siad Barre.       Dhugtame @ 9/29/2014 5:12 AM EST  Here is another false fabrication of history by Fiqduufle: He wrote earlier (I'm paraphrasing to save time & space) that Faqash military commanders saw Somaliland as strategically insignificant and pulled back to defend the South. Response: if in fact that was the case, then why would they leave their soldiers and military hardware behind in a region they thought was "insignificant" and risked to face the bigger threats in Mogadishu with their bare hands? You can package it anyway you want, but intelligent people is call it a DEFEAT. Morgan, your "brilliant General" jumped into a helicopter, when the SNM, where only two miles away from his residence of that time.     Dhugtame @ 9/28/2014 4:55 PM EST  Fiqiduufle, You're zigzagging and dancing your way out of the facts, does it make sense that the SNM fed and looked after the soldiers of the enemy tyrant and after many months gave them transport and provisions on their way back to their home country (Somalo Italiano), but massacred innocent refugees? What kind of logic is this and you call me Khaldaan!     Dhugtame @ 9/28/2014 4:46 PM EST  Fiqduufle, You morally hit bottom with this one.1. you repeated the same untrue allegations without attaching any evidence. 2. you are intentionally avoiding to answer my original question 3. regarding my clan children getting education in Jigjiga; you're ignoring the fact that my clan owns the biggest area in the 5th Region and as citizens of that country my clan has the same rights as your clan.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/28/2014 3:24 PM EST  Dhugtame, Why didn't your alleged refugees go with your defeated Faqash army?  Dhugtame aka Egeh wrote. Those poor refugees were not part of any army nor did they support any political group or any warring faction they were supposed to be protected through international law. Sadly SNM th*gs who were high on alcohol, drugs-kat+ amphetamine tablets- most of the time wouldn’t give a hoot about their victims mostly women and children, the weak and the elderly. Imagine being victim to psychopaths who were laughing when they were ram sacking makeshifts and tents the only properties refugees had and k*lling them one by one while others watch helplessly knowing that they will be next. Why did they have to go through a painful ordeal forced to watch their loved ones slaughtered? Now with that in mind, just for the sake of evidence can you Dhugtame aka Egeh visit Jigjiga and see it for yourself how your own clan is looked after like any other Somali person regardless of where they hail. Don’t forget your children are given free education-university-. Would you call these people faqash? They are the same people SNM murdered their parents. What do you say khaldaan?           Dhugtame @ 9/28/2014 2:41 PM EST  Fiqduufle, Finally, how come you are avoiding my question about your vision for Somalo Italiano?     Dhugtame @ 9/28/2014 2:34 PM EST  Here are few facts for you to learn a bit about the fall of the tyrant army. At first, Burao was taken by the SNM then Cadaadley and Berbera and finally the SNM came marching to Hargeisa in a broad day light. Check those facts with tyrant soldiers who were allowed to pass to Somalo Italiano months after they were defeated and way after Afweyne fled the country. You can watch Abdulaziz's video on youtube, Abdulaziz was the Faqash military commander in Berbera. If your narrative is correct, why didn't your alleged refugees go with your defeated Faqash army?     Dhugtame @ 9/28/2014 2:18 PM EST  Fiqiduufle, Just quit it, you are embarrassing yourself by trying to falsify and rewrite history. I was in Hargeisa when it was captured by the SNM and you were not there. Therefore, do not give me the misleading Faqash narratives you inherited from the likes of Ahmed Salebaan Dafle, who mislead Afweyne to believe that Somalilanders could be annihilated and replaced with Majeerten and Ogadeen. You can use all the slanderous adjectives you want but that will not either change history nor the facts on the ground.I can tell from your bitterness that you're one of the many Afweyne orphans on this forum. May I suggest that you forget longing for the Afweyne days and become more realistic,this is not 70s and 80s, when your clan had monopoly on Xidigta Oktober newspaper and Radio Mogadishu - the truth is right on the finger tips of all.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/28/2014 1:02 PM EST  Dhugtame, Wrong.  Fiqicigaal, Fiqijin and topclan are different commentators unlike Dhugtame aka Egeh aka Arbe......!  Obviously your comments have never had impact to the  forum let  alone to your opponents because you are a paranoid loose cannon and you naively  hold grudges against everyone that differ your absurd and childish views. Wrong again. Those freaking SNM rag-tag clan militia bandits did not and could not defeat the then SNA, in fact it was the miscalculated move/tactics of the warlords who believed if they capture mogadishu they would be at the helm and could easily command the whole country. It is a long story  and I am not sure about you,  but definitely any realistic Somali person  knows that the army  commanders abandoned north west (saw it insignificant at the time, I don’t agree)   and headed towards the south , the city to be exact to fight for power. And that is when SNM clan militia took advantage of the situation and moved in and filled the vacuum. We know that is not what you and your cousins want to hear or read but you can’t change history it is in the books every bit of it. And where do you think those vulnerable refugees would have gone? To Ethiopia to be slaughtered by your brothers in arms the savage amxaaro?     wiifgarow @ 9/28/2014 9:48 AM EST  Stick You mean we are better and more united and more nationalist than those horrid, calnnist Lebanese? Wow! I wasnt aware of that. Where were you hiding all this pure all somali lovey-dovey stuff all these years you were writing on board? One would've mistaken you for juts another Iidoor-hating little Darodist lad? how wrong!     dhugtame @ 9/28/2014 9:01 AM EST  Fiqiduufle, Just for a reminder: what do you envisage for your Somalo Italiano? in just few comprehensible sentences, was the question asked, name calling is not allowed as an easy escape. Not having a vision for Somalo Italiano is an acceptable answer. So why complicate things and how does going in shameful circles help your most failed state. No malevolence intended, I'm just testing your intelligence, that is all. If you pass this test, I will leave you alone, otherwise, I have to stay and tune your logic up.     FiqiJin @ 9/28/2014 8:08 AM EST  Dhug Dhukane, I wouldn't be talking about it if you Qaldaan are not here on this forum. What are you doing here, when you always deny who you are as a Somali from the Federal Republic of Somalia? You all Qaldaan people go away from this forum, and no one will mention you. You keep coming over here with your pretenses and imaginary country. So get out of her!     FiqiJin @ 9/28/2014 8:01 AM EST  How can I forget or remember something which does not exist?     Dhugtame @ 9/28/2014 5:21 AM EST  Honestly, FiqiJin, Fiqicigaal, topclan or anyone else who shares his emotional antagonist ideas of the Republic of Somaliland, could he/they respectfully just take a deep breath and forget Somaliland for a second, because we all know that you have and will not have a say in the Republic of Somaliland's affair. But could you please explain to the readers your vision for the future of Somalo Italiano, just in few comprehensible sentences? no bad language and references to the Republic of Somaliland will not be accepted as a run away exit from reality.       Dhugtame @ 9/28/2014 4:44 AM EST  There we go again! boring, boring, boring.......Can't you find one other problem with the Republic of Somaliland except your alleged "one clan" thing? I rather live in Somaliland under "one clan" peacefully than visiting Somalo Italiano with its "million clans" competing for who will serve the African soldiers better with feminine niceties.     FiqiJin @ 9/27/2014 8:52 PM EST  Your uncle Ingriis is so proud of you that he has shunned his former little protectorate. These days, the UK PM and other politicians cannot get enough of Somalia Federal Republic. I wonder why? Because the British who know Somalis better than any other foreigners know this is a one clan scheme you have cooked in Hargeisa.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 6:28 PM EST  Don't worry about Italy being associated with your name, because I was just contacted by an Italian, who was ashamed to have his country's name being associated with Somalo Italiano. He stated that his grandfather served with Somalo Italiano citizens, who were fighting as mercenaries for that fascist regime in Italy. Therefore, Somalilanders are not the only people, who are ashamed with their name being associated with Somalo Italiano. I do not think it is worthwhile continuing discussions with people who are being a shame to the grandchildren of fascists.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 5:34 PM EST  Genocides and massacres are what Somalo Italiano do for a living, it is going on in Somalo Italiano as I write this. The ones who nearly selected Maslah Mohamed Siad Barre not once but twice as their President,who massacred four dozen civilian Somalilanders in one go in Jazeera beach in Mogadishu are trying to smear the SNM? They should look back at their crimes against humanity and hide their faces in shame instead of trying to score points with fabricated nonsense.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 4:16 PM EST  The real question to ask is; why didn't the SNM kill the captured in action Afweyne solidiers, who looted, killed civilian Somalilander women, children and elderly, flattened towns,villages and cities and looted and did not even spare mosque-rooftops, which they transported back to Somalo Italiano, instead of killing innocent civilians? Why would they kill refugees and not enemy soldiers?     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 3:57 PM EST  Fiqicigaal/FiqiJin/Topclan Whichever clan username you're suiting yourself to date,How come you accuse the honorable SNM who defeated the tyrant soldiers that counted for the strongest army in black Africa on such fabricated falsehood? As we all know, the remnant soldiers despite all their crimes were transported and given provisions back to Somalo Italiano.And what were the refugees doing sitting in place when the local civilians were either massacred or fled for their lives after Hargeisa was flattened with artillery, tank shelling and Arial bombardments? Does your question make sense? maybe to you but not to no one else. BANG!!     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/27/2014 2:45 PM EST  Dhugtame, You can run but you can't hide. You see, you opted to duck and dive from my question because you don't want to talk about the brutal massacre of women and children at refugee camps in Hargeisa and its surroundings by gun-toting SNM tribesmen during the 80th and you know it.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 2:23 PM EST  Listen to this and learn your own history: http://burcoonline.com/articles/24106/Halkan-Ka-Dhegeyso-Aqoonyahan-Taariikhyahan-Abwaan-Maxamed-Cabdi-Halac-oo-Jawaab-Culus-Siiyay-General-Axmed-Saleebaan-Dafle-oo-Ku-Faanay-Daraawiish     FiqiJin @ 9/27/2014 2:22 PM EST  Dhug You are paranoid. Don't worry, psychiatric help is available, but you have to go to one of the Ugandan clinics in Mogadishu!!!     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 2:06 PM EST  Sorry guys, I do not take questions from indecent Somalo Italiano, because only departing way off the truth will satisfy you and unlike most of you,I'm not willing to commit a sinful act.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 1:52 PM EST  Cry Somalo Italiano cry! I'm really enjoying this, because when you are confronted with the truth you always get really agitated and nervous and resort to cheap name calling and phone HOL administrators to block me off. KKKKKKKKk     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/27/2014 1:07 PM EST  North west Somalia     topclan @ 9/27/2014 1:04 PM EST  Tyranny of the majority     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/27/2014 1:03 PM EST  Dhugtame, Do you know anything about the refugee genocide in Northern Somalia where innocent civilians from Somali galbeed and Oromo were murdered by SNM th*gs and buried in mass graves?     FiqiJin @ 9/27/2014 1:00 PM EST  Dhugtame, Show me any report anywhere by human rights groups or the UN or any country which calls what happen in the northwest of Somalia in 1980s a genocide. It was a massacre. One innocent death is one too many, but let us not misuse the word genocide, because there are groups, like the Tutsis and Jews who suffered from such horrible inhumanity!     FiqiJin @ 9/27/2014 12:54 PM EST  Stick, This Hassan Sheikh that these Qaldaan are so eager to discount was eating dinner in the Whitehouse, while Siilaanyo was in the dog house! Every time Siilaanyo goes abroad and meets with some lower level official, they put the Somalia Republic flag on the table in front of him. The flag is staring at him, saying shame on you!     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 12:53 PM EST  Alright, alright! Somalo Italiano have the ability to commit another genocide, they have the right and the will to annihilate the entire Somaliland population and replace them with Ogadens and Majeertens or may be Somalo Italiano will move them to Garboharey and Sablaale as slave fishers and farmers. Come on guys! these were tried in the seventies and eighties and you know all about it. Only a fool tries the same failed thing for twenty times expecting a different result, that is the mentality of Somalo Italians.     FiqiJin @ 9/27/2014 12:46 PM EST  Look at the moron Dhugtame calling people by colonial names (Somalo Italiano). He is so confused about his identity that he calls himself now British Protectorate. Such house-nigga mentality. He has no pride whatsoever that he will define us by whitema's illegal invasion of Somali territories.     FiqiJin @ 9/27/2014 12:38 PM EST  Wiif, Where did you get this 33% from? Somalia as a federal state, you will be a master of your region. You will have an equal national representation, by district according to your region's population. The problem was injustice and bad national governments, where few dictated to others. There are no 2 different peoples sharing here. It is one man, one vote and equality under the law. This is not Djibouti, where you have Somali and Afar peoples in one country.       topclan @ 9/27/2014 12:27 PM EST  This looks more like tyr-     topclan @ 9/27/2014 12:22 PM EST  A majority rule does not mean democracy and neither does one man one vote elections. Somaliland political leaders all hail from the same clan: 13 January 2013:  Having received the  local elections results (by region and by party/association) from the Electoral Commission, the RAC announced on 26 December 2012 that Kulmiye, Wadani and UCID have succeeded in becoming the new three national parties for the next 10 years.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 12:18 PM EST  Wiifgarow, I'm not ritualistically going to get into a sterile argument with those who compare apples with oranges and believe the bribed fake clan leaders, who elected Hassan Sheikh Mohamud's Mogadishu regime were comparable to the internationally monitored fair and free (one person/one vote) multiple elections in the Republic of Somaliland. These are people who do not under stand the definition of a state. However, I would like to inform you that sharing a union with the failed Somalo Italiano now or in the future is not and will not be entertained here. Please forget the the 35% things. May I ask my Somalo Italiano friends to get over the phantom limb syndrome and become more realistic with their expectations, because they will not be able to change the facts on the ground with wishful thinking and empty slogans, which mean nothing to the Somaliland citizens. Somalilanders have bigger fish to fry and have no time wasting their time on Somalo Italiano.     Stickorcarrot @ 9/27/2014 12:02 PM EST  lol Hassan Sheikh's election was not perfect. However, he was elected by the representative of ALL of Somalis. Can we all agree on this? As for your beloved leader, who elected them? A family, right? So is Gaas of Puntland. Every Somali family can elect their own son and to them, that is the most democratic and transparent election. It does not matter if it is done 1 man 1 vote or representative did on their behalf.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 11:55 AM EST  Wiifgarow, I hope the U.N.O envoy will answer your question and proof me wrong. Until then I will stick with my personal opinion. It puzzles me to see Mr. Kay associating himself with a man, who is accused by the U.N.O of corruption and embezzlement of national assets. However, won't you think the U.N.O envoy should be nonpartisan and not politically supportive to the UN-elected and nondemocratic regime in Mogadishu at the expense of the peace and democratic Somaliland? I thought the U.N.O was created to keep the world peace and stability, but its not seen as such in the Republic of Somaliland.     Stickorcarrot @ 9/27/2014 11:36 AM EST  @Wiif, Somalis is not Lebnon. There is no need rotation and there is need quota. We are Somalis. We share everything. Fair representation and accountability is what we need. Are you guys afraid of that? Let's quit this being friendly with neighbors and enemy to ourselves attitude and build peaceful and prosperous Somali nation.     Stickorcarrot @ 9/27/2014 11:30 AM EST  @FiqiJin The name "Somaliland" does not exist legally or geographically (politically.) The Somali nation has a defined borders and land. If Mr. Kay said only one family is advocating for this madness(secession,) he is absolutely right 100%. We know where Khaatumo, Maakhir, & Awdal people stand. Wiif's argument of "it does not matter if 100% of Northerners don't support because it is not needed." shows the desperation. You can't just invent a border and impose others on your desire. That colonial line is long gone. It does not exist anymore legally and geographically. If Isaks's really want to leave from Somalis, they have to make a new borders. Or they have to learn how to live with other Somalis.     wiifgarow @ 9/27/2014 11:26 AM EST  Dhugtame I wonder if the UN and Somalia leadesr have genuinely though about the impact of Somaliland rejoning Somalia's fraguile political process? If most of Somalia lack the intellectual wherewithal to envisage the consequences surely the UN men can? I mean imagine Somaliland demanding 35% of all power including rotational place of the top three; 35& of all ministruies based in Hargeisa, 35% of all international aid, 35% of everything. And an agreement to keep our own taxes etc. Hwo will this help advancement of Somalia's reconcilaiation?       wiifgarow @ 9/27/2014 11:21 AM EST  Dhugtame I am aware the UN is generally hostile to its member nations 'breaking up'. However no other would-be new nation has faced the kind of visceral hostility from the Internationl body as Somaliland. And I will not accuise Mr Kay of being self-serving. I have no evidence for that and till I find it I will assume he is an honourable and honest man. I would sure welcoem an expalantion for the hostility towards Somaliland though.     wiifgarow @ 9/27/2014 11:18 AM EST  Fiqijin This one clan only mantra is gettinga  littel tiresome. If taht si the case then surely you will all be happy for a refrendum to be held in Somaliland in which the other five clans will all say no and sink project somaliland once and for all? Put up or shut up     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 11:01 AM EST  Wiifgraw, You answered your own question to Mr. Kay and the truth is; jobs are not created, sustained and money and privileges not accessed by UNO bureaucrats in places like the Republic of Somaliland, where there is stability, peace and democracy. That is why we see Mr.Kay always rubbing shoulders,supporting and travelling wherever Hassan Sheikh Mohamud goes and even plays as sidekick for his favorite Somalo Italiano President in all international arenas. The duo are doing nothing but supporting their converging interests.       FiqiJin @ 9/27/2014 10:54 AM EST  Wiif, You and I both know that it is one clan which is drunken on this secession, and that is your Isaaq clan. Do you think the UN will ever allow a one clan cause for independence? The only thing that differentiates one Somali anywhere from another Somali anywhere is clan. So what you are telling me is that you people are so out of touch with reality that you actually entertain a possibility of the world endorsing your clan to be a country. While the oppressed Kurdish, who deserve a country of their own is denied. Why do you want to secede? Siyad Barre regime massacred some of your clan members. That is an undeniable fact, but what is that got to do with south north politics? Why blame the people of the south, who themselves are also victims for your share of suffering at the hand of Somalia governments?         wiifgarow @ 9/27/2014 10:18 AM EST  Mr Kay as an example of underming somaliland, you are alleged to have said to Somaliland leaders in your recent visit that and I quote " Not all the calns of Somaliland are supportive of Somaliland independence". No independence ever by any nation was supported by 100% of its population. What is the UN's reasonable threshold that will make Somaliland reclamation of its independence a true reflection of the will of its people?     wiifgarow @ 9/27/2014 10:12 AM EST  Your optimism is admirable Mr Kay but if you genuinely wish peace, atbility and prosperity for all somalisl why have your organisation been relentlessly undermining the most peaceful most stable, most democratic and most prosperous 'region' which is Somaliland?     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 8:03 AM EST  watch this and enjoy what you did to Somalilanders! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHsXt2scFik     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 6:20 AM EST  Somstar, Besides , I will not let you singlehandedly define us and tell the world who we are and what we want, we will continue to comment on the social media as you do and show your real face to the world. If that makes you nervous and desperate  so what?     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 5:58 AM EST  Somatar, The fact that you mentioned and shown your hatred towards Isaaq proves my point and shows your intentions. You're not alone in this, it is very common in the psychic of the  Somalo-Italiano and the Siad Barre orphans. This is unhealthy and Somalo-Italiano can be called a nation of psychopaths. You can not convince us with threats of another genocide and that is why we do not want be part of your mess. Good luck!     Wiil Isxaaq @ 9/27/2014 5:05 AM EST  It seems fighting Somalis whether they use the "Al-SHabab" code or not is the only thing they have added to Zoomalia. Zoomalian problem existed before "al-shabab", and has never been dealt with. As long as the westerners do not value black lives or have sympathies for their grievances, and their need for seeking justice. Then the war between Zoomalians will continue is some shape or form.     somstar @ 9/27/2014 5:00 AM EST  Dhugtame I wish not to waste my time on you and those Issaq Clan chauvanist..The very fact that you are busy on Somali social media and commenting on Somali issues speaks volume. The fate of North West Somalia will not be decided by few Issaq Clan chauvanist...that is the reality and the sooner you wake up to it the better     somstar @ 9/27/2014 4:52 AM EST  As for the noise maker on social media..who have nothing to contribute but spread their venom..I say to them keep busy and continue making noise We thank Allah you are far away in the cold of Europe and America. Key is inside Somalia and not in Nairobi to listen to Gossip..he is witness to reality everyday.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 4:49 AM EST  Somstar, I totally agree with you, let us start with Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and his undemocratic and clan-based cabinet and parliament, because they are the real obstacle to peace and prosperity in the region.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 4:41 AM EST  Let me tell all the truth as is; Somalilanders will never allow history to repeat itself, you can not persuade us with your sugarcoated malicious slogans of unity, one religion, one ethnicity and one language thing. These will not safe our children and grandchildren from another genocide and no matter how much you try, you will not be able to rewrite history, because its written, reviewed and placed in the library shelves. You can not convince us to jump to the fire and you do not even have the talents to convince a toddler. You have nothing to offer but disaster after disaster. So tell me which part of this story you do not dig?     somstar @ 9/27/2014 4:23 AM EST  'This is a time for immense discipline and national unity'. Indispline Spoilers whoever they may be must be dealt with same as Al Shabab. The UN and the International community must not allow those so called leaders to incite clan emotions for their own political inerest.     Dhugtame @ 9/27/2014 4:02 AM EST  The time is now for the IC to realize and acknowledge the history of the region and the facts on the ground and avert further wars and more bloodshed, the Republic of Somaliland will never go back to the failed union with anarchic Somalo-Italiano that is a done deal. Somalo-Italiano must in turn, get over the phantom limb syndrome and learn to be confident enough to manage their own affairs. The international charity will not continue forever and there must come a point, when they must come together and get with the program.     sonofsomalia @ 9/26/2014 4:51 PM EST  TopClan   The short note is, UNSOM and Amb. Key are not as innocent as you think they are. First and foremost he is a politician, within the United Nation, oringinating from one of the Colonial masters of Somalia. Having said that, he would really win the support and trust of the Somali people if he can stop or diminish the constant meddling of our neighbours. But the fact that he blesses every wedding they concoct, speaks volume of his intention. The current crop of vassal states (VM)are nothing more than balkanization of Somalia along clan lines, and UN/US/EU/AU/IGAD are all supporting this.     topclan @ 9/26/2014 3:17 PM EST  Jamal Bulxan Aliguul Ahmed You called it "an accident of history", I call it a transitional state. No pun intended. There was never any demand or intend for two Somali states or a separate Somaliland state.     topclan @ 9/26/2014 1:43 PM EST  Lo and behold: clan passports! The white man recognises Somalis by their clan passports. How shameful and sad is that? Soon Somalis will have clan passports, and that's not far fetched because Puntland already requires an ID from non Puntland residents. He is saying the security that is meant to be offerd by the state should be offered by the clan. Clan security will always exist, but what we desparately need is a state security.Like many places in the world a proper working government institutions is the key to trust.Has anybody actually asked for a transparent, accountable and fair minded instittutions? Of all the existing clan states, which is transparent, accountable and fair minded? I don't know them all in details but don't they suffer from, nepotism, factionalism, corruption and incompetence. And the higher up the ladder the bigger the pie the bigger problem. We must recognize the lack of trust in PTFG by Somali public and even consultaion in the formation of federal member state.     topclan @ 9/26/2014 1:39 PM EST  Negotiation doesn't mean surrendering The PTFG and IC have been presenting these ultimatums to Barre Hiiraale and Madoobe Nuunow otherwise they'll be declared as spoilers. Does state building mean doing backdoor or alley way deals, or is it open public discussion and the promotion of consensus rather divisive politics. How can you say you are for negotiation when you have unilaterally recognised one side of the disputing sides? First there was the shotgun wedding between the PTFG and Raskambooni in Addis Ababa, then came the surrender ceremonies in Mogadishu which were called the agreement between SW3 and SW6, and the formation Central State. None of the stakeholders including SW6, Shabeele State, Puntland and others have surrendered their positions. Yet that is how the PTFG and IC have presented their positions. We don't want any more surrender ceremonies and shotgun weddings. Mr Kay has started to look an old preist who blesses a "wedding" one day and the next day there he is looking on as the couple have annuled their "marriage" and  are killing each other. My advice to Mr Kay is not to support these shotgun weddings as they will only bring bigger problems down the line. The tampering with and disregarding of the provisional constitution goes on daily but it's accepted by the political leaders because they will not let the law or the public to stand in their way. I would like to ask Mr Kay who the biggest stumbling block to real progress in Somalia is? UNSOM support is restricted to a select political players who are seen by the majority of Somalis as spoilers. Sustainable progress is made by giving women and youth a voice in the political field, at the moment they are in the political wilderness in Somalia.     topclan @ 9/26/2014 1:35 PM EST  UNSOM ignores Somali public opinion The international community has manipulated the process, IGAD(Kenya and Ethiopia) for strategic interests and the UNSOM for propaganda purposes. This is illustrated by the ridiculous lies in this article that is detached from reality. While huge external presure is being exerted on the PTFG, there is relatively no presure internaly and so it ignores Somali public opinion. We condemn Somali government but it has become hostage to the double act of IGAD and UNSOM who benefit more than anyone else Somalia's troubles. Not only is the process of forming federal member states unconstituional, it's also politically corrupt. We need a settlement that has a real chance of succeeding.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/26/2014 1:04 PM EST  What happened to those refugees was a genocide and no one can deny it. My point is, Isaq was not the only tribe that has fallen victim to criminal gangs and the survivors of the refugee genocide are campaining for Refugee Genocide Memorial.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/26/2014 12:40 PM EST  What about the mass execution of refugees at camps in Northern Somalia by marauding SNM th*gs?  It wasn't just wartime violence; it was a directed, pre-meditated attempt to eliminate an entire people- ethnic ogadens.     FiqiJin @ 9/26/2014 12:08 PM EST  Quran Diid, "Somali State did not collapse in 1991. It collapsed in 1969 when the government that were chosen by the people was over thrown by few military thugs." What kind of a moron will buy such statement from you. What you don't get is that any government is better than no government, which the Mooryaan in the south imposed on the Somali people for more than 2 decades!     Nuunow @ 9/26/2014 10:31 AM EST  cont. I'm very appalled by the fact that some people here in HOL publicly con'done these heinous crimes perpetrated against civilians. They are either kids with ba'd upbringing, who were fed lies after lies about the Somali history and were indoctrinated to ha'te and see everything through clan lenses, or they are simply si'ck and reta'rded dudes with no civility whats'oever. It is even more repulsive to see the same sick dudes claiming to fight for Somali unity. How can you express enormous ha'te and ve'nom towards certain Somali clans and yet claim to care unity? That is nonsensical and far beyond my comprehension!!!     Nuunow @ 9/26/2014 10:15 AM EST  Donbir Ali and Quran Raac, You're both right - the two genocide events are different and therefore I stand corrected. However, my intention wasn't to compare these two unfortunate cases but only to point out and raise awareness that wrongful bloodshed happened in the past and need to be treated properly and genuinely rather than refusing to acknowledge.     Alamti @ 9/26/2014 9:16 AM EST  Fiqijin (fajin...a) Inad tahay ruux Dumar ah ama Laga roone waxa kuu cadaynaya dhaqankaaga. Markaaba waxa la arkayaa cawradaada sheeda ka muuqata ee aan asdurayn. Dood garan maysid aamusina maysid. J.Somaliland iyo dadkeeda waxa la hubaa inaad colaad gaar ah u qabto waayo waa cadahay. Waxan xumaan ahayn kama sheegaysid. markaa waxa aan is-qarin karin noociyada Bani-aadamka aad ka tahay oo ah ''Dhedig aad u dhaqan-xum ama Laga-roone ku soo qaday J.Somaliland)... F.G; Ha ku Xad-gudbin Walaal iyo Hooyo iyo dadka inta Muxarimka ah. Qof Nasab ahi ma gaaadho halkaa!!!!!! Gabogabo, Walee inaanad ka fogayn; Naag dhoocil ah ama Laga roone xinaysta.     FiqiJin @ 9/26/2014 8:25 AM EST  Alamti, Qalamti, If you could only send your walaasha to check the dhamas between my legs. Kkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaa.     FiqiJin @ 9/26/2014 8:03 AM EST  I doubt very much you even know what genocide means. With a name like Nuunow, I am not surprised. Because if you did, you wouldn't so cavalierly using it.     alamti @ 9/26/2014 5:58 AM EST  Fiqijin (fajin..a? Gabadhan, maxaa J.Somaliland iyo dadkeedu ay ku sameeyeen toloow? Ma gabdhihii Ubaxa Kacaanka Oktoobar ee Hargaysa ayaa ay ku soo barbaartay toloow? Gabadhyahay reer Somaliland isma gaydaane, AMISOM cid ka raadso. PERIOD     Nuunow @ 9/26/2014 5:56 AM EST  Donbir Ali, It is undeniable fact that genocide was committed against Somalilanders, Isaqs in particular, back in 1980s, and up to this day there are those who are in denial and refuse to acknowledge it. Some evil or idiot people even go too far to praise that heinous crime as an “act of patriotism” . What need to be acknowledged as well is that heinous and ethnic cleansing crimes were also committed against Darods by the USC tugs leaded by deceased and ruthless general Ceydiid. There also other genocides and wrong-doings happened after and is happening as we speak right now. So remember that Somalilanders are not the only victims of civil war!     Nuunow @ 9/26/2014 4:02 AM EST  Sonofsomalia, I’m all optimism and not ready to jump off a bridge yet! But the reality on the ground paints totally different picture – a dark and painful picture. We’ve a long way to go before Somalia stands on its feet and retain the dignity and respect we used to have back in the good old days (berisamaadkii).     FiqiJin @ 9/26/2014 3:58 AM EST  Dhugtame, Dhug Surely, even you should be tired of your nothing else but a 2-step dance: Somalia, Somaliland ( the latter doesn't exist). Do you ever talk about anything else? Look, you will never get it.     Dhugtame @ 9/26/2014 2:08 AM EST  In Iraq, a man called Paul Bremer imposed his stupid agenda on the people of that country and the rest is history. Now, I see history repeating itself in Somalia. This country does not need a foreigner listening to those in Mogadishu, who have no vision for Somalia at all. History and realities on the ground must be taken into consideration and there is no alternative to two state solution for Somaliland and Somalia. Federation based on clan borders in Somalia must be avoided at any cost and reconciliation among clans must be prioritized before everything else.       FiqiJin @ 9/25/2014 10:49 PM EST  The way I read it is that this man cannot wait for Somalis to completely handle their business. He cannot wait to get the hell out of there! Folks, remember that not too long ago the UN and every other international group remotely managed their work in Somalia from Nairobi. But today he is telling the story of Somalia from his office in Mogadishu. Let us all be grateful that our beloved Somalia is alive, getting much better and kicking. This is a very welcomed good, good news of Somalia. All thanks are due to Allah!     sonofsomalia @ 9/25/2014 5:04 PM EST  Nuunow   Loool, that pretty much describes our character. We would rather respect a foreign alkoliiste, then our blood. But don't lose hope, during our short stint as free nation we have show Africa and world that we are force to be reckoned with. We built Africa's 4th largest and power force, we supported the apartheid struggle, and even fought for China's ascension to the Security Council. If we can show our people that United does not equal Abuse, we can restore our dignity, even if our neighbors will make sure that never happens.         Nuunow @ 9/25/2014 2:39 PM EST  Sonofsomalia, Soomaalida waa ummad jecel inuu shisheeye u taliyo, siiba cadaanka reer galbeedka. Waxaan xasuustaa beri aan ka mid ahaa koox kubada cagta cayaarta. Waxaa noola keenay tababare Soomaali ah oo xirfadiisu fiicneyd isla markaana ahaa cayaartooydii hore ee caanka ahaa ee kubada cagta. Maalmo ka dib waxaa bilaabatay in tabarihii qaarna ku jir xumeeyaan qabiil daraadiis kuwa kalena eeyba yasaan oo ay diidaan ineey ka amar qaataan. Ninkii soomaaliga waxaa lagu badalay mid cadaan alkoliiste ah oo aanan tababare u qalmin. Wuxuu ahaa nin aad iskula weyn isla markaana aad u yasa ajnabiga. Cayaartooydii waxeeyba noqdeen dad wax maqlaayo oo tabaraha ka dambeeya, meeshiina xushmad iyo kala dambeys aanan horay loo arag baa timid. Marka soomaalida oo dhan waa sidaas oo kale ah, walaalkoodii beey nacayaan kuwa shisheeyana kabaha ayeey u sidaan. Marka dadkaas ayaa wax laga sugi karaa, soomaalinimo iyo wadaninimo iskaba daaye. Illaahaa noo maqan.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/25/2014 2:03 PM EST  One more thing. Mr Kay is optimistic and that is better than being miserably pessimistic and expecting bad things to happen. However, I think he is not being enough of a realist and he needs to see more things in reality and not how he wants us to see things or how he believes things to be. I must admit I like to see the glass half full rather than half empty that is the way I see it. Oh yes, bad things happen in life it is how we deal with them. Some deal it through the barrel of a gun others negotiate and reason and I like the latter it leads to win-win situation.     topclan @ 9/25/2014 1:15 PM EST  Politics will save Somalia, Read: I will save Somalia. This is nothing more than a self congratulatory from a self publicist. Everyone knows Kay is the undisputed and unaccountable political leader in Somalia and nothing without his approval or knowledge gets done.     fiqicigaal1 @ 9/25/2014 12:47 PM EST  Mr Kay is a powerful messenger and he can be dangerous if the SFG do not toe in the line. That is how much power he has over Somalia, a bitter fact, even bitter than reconciling hope and violence in a country where lawlessness reigned for over decades   The bottom line is, no one can help Somalia if it is not willing to help itself by putting its political differences aside and participating in the dialogue to ensure our unity and supremacy over ahlu sheydaan wal cifriid. That is our goal we shouldn’t blame others for our own failure and we must realise that we are incharge of how we approach our problems neither IGAD nor Mr Kay or AMISOM for that matter can do it for us. Somalia is for Somalis.     sonofsomalia @ 9/25/2014 12:25 PM EST  Nuunow,   Mr. Key is the boss, because the family refuses to collaborate, and men at the helm are the champions of their sponsors, our esteemed neighbors. All of this can be reversed if a true patriotic Somali emerges, who is not tainted by our sick traditional and religious ideologies.       Nuunow @ 9/25/2014 11:31 AM EST  Corr: Mr. Key .... but lets give the benefits of doubt.     Nuunow @ 9/25/2014 10:13 AM EST  Sonofsomalia, Its clear that me. Key is the "big Boss" calling the shots and the FS is flawed nyt lets give it the benefits of doubt.     sonofsomalia @ 9/25/2014 8:56 AM EST  Farhan (FB), if you read his article, the ambassador basically says federalism is the reality, so fait acompli, and no further talk on the subject. He tries to belittle any objection to clan federalism by saying fierce competition, and winner take all are happening. As if Somalis are bunch of wildlings trying to rob each other at all cost. But best part is how he minimizes the UN/IC influence to mere helpers. Politics in its corrent form will destroy Somalia Mr. Ambassador. No is to be expected from bunch of self serving, unpatriotic men at the helm.

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