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wiifgarow @ 4/25/2015 10:35 AM EST  Response was meant for the other thread. My brain is fried too. And embezzeled like Mr Isaac. I bet the indigenous people of the Jubas feel even more embezzled.     wiifgarow @ 4/25/2015 10:33 AM EST  Topclan What is gotten into you man? For the first time you made no sense at all. I think your constant arguing with Fiqi has fried your brain. Take a braek from him. Just two quick things: Somalia is definetely not a 'National' govt. I can think of a number other adjectives that describe it more aptly but I am not a cruel man. As for Mogadshu sharing Aid with Hargeisa that si liek saying a Hyena shares a bone! Maybe in the afterlife but in this!     topclan @ 4/24/2015 2:29 PM EST  Warsame Abdullah "1. Kismaayo is under OGADEN> 2. Garissa is under OGADEN 3. Jig-Jiga is under OGADEN." Wrong! This is how it actually is: 1. Kismaayo is under Kenya 2. Garissa is under Kenya 3. Jig-Jiga is under Ethiopia I think you should be quiet and be happy with the money you receive from the IC for your fake administration and the charcoal sale.     FiqiJin @ 4/24/2015 7:50 AM EST  Tops, Wow, listen to yourself! Is this what became of us Somalis?     topclan @ 4/23/2015 5:25 PM EST  jubbaland24.com Why don't you free yourselves from Ethiopia? The rest of clans Somalis have lost many lives trying to liberate the Somali region in Ethiopia. And how did you repay that sacrifice? Oh yes, that's right. By leading Kenya in its invasion of Somalia.     topclan @ 4/22/2015 6:52 PM EST  Mohamed Ileye Do you put two words together and hope they make sense or do you actually think about what you are going to say before you say them? I think what you are saying is that clans in Jubbaland have more representation in Jubbaland administration than SFG. But that is hardly a surprise because Jubbaland administration is a regional government whereas the SFG is national. Some people don't get the concept of local/regional government.     topclan @ 4/22/2015 6:08 PM EST  Erigavo   Well, we know that. That is why people in Jubbaland are in uproar, the coalition you mentioned is trying to grab power by deny the people of Jubbaland their rights. Can two sub-clans build an administration in a region with as diverse clans as Jubbaland? It was a mistake to think that coalition could create a Jubbaland administration by themsleves, hence why they have sought the help of Kenya militarily and IGAD politically. If the Harti clan has more people in Jubbaland than the Ogadeen clan, why did they allow Ogadeens to be trained by Kenya? Why weren't the Harti the fighting force along side Kenya instead of Raskambooni? I believe that Jubbaland will save the nation because I think if it resists foreign interference then we can have a strong Somali state. No matter how much they try, I don't think Jubbaland will go the way of Puntland and Somaliland because Jubbaland is Somalia. All clans live in Jubbaland, so there is no way they can be manipulated like Puntland and Somaliland, there is just too many different voices.     Erigavo @ 4/22/2015 3:23 AM EST  Correction to my brother from Jubbaland. The Cawrmale clan is a branch of the Warsangeli, Harti. The initiator of this rebuttal has a valid point. The current MPs were not equally distributed to the clans in the region. In fact, the Harti clans are powerful in the region and had ruled the port city and surroundings without coalescing with Mogadishu. Jubbaland is simply a product of Ogaden-Harti coalition. Unless there's is some behind the scenes deal, it's unfortunate that the Harti clans receive only 7 members. If Cawrmale is added, then it's unofficially 9 seats whereas Ogaaden gets 21 seats. This is ridiculous! Afmadow is the only district settled by Ogaaden. The Marehan clan likewise doesn't deserve to be accorded 19 seats. Gedo is not a Marehan-majority; it's settled by several clans, of which Marehan make up roughly 50 percent per the findings of an international aid agency in Gedo with long track record of humanitarian service.     Erigavo @ 4/22/2015 3:22 AM EST  Correction to my brother from Jubbaland. The Cawrmale clan is a branch of the Warsangeli, Harti. The initiator of this rebuttal has a valid point. The current MPs were not equally distributed to the clans in the region. In fact, the Harti clans are powerful in the region and had ruled the port city and surroundings without coalescing with Mogadishu. Jubbaland is simply a product of Ogaden-Harti coalition. Unless there's is some behind the scenes deal, it's unfortunate that the Harti clans receive only 7 members. If Cawrmale is added, then it's in officially 9 whereas Ogaaden gets 21 seats. This is ridiculous! Afmadow is the only district settled by Ogaaden. The Marehan clan likewise doesn't deserve to be accorded 19 seats. Gedo is not a Marehan-majority; it's settled by several clans, of which Marehan make up roughly 50 percent per the findings of an international aid agency in Gedo with long track record of humanitarian service.     FiqiJin @ 4/21/2015 8:39 PM EST  Tops, I see you are still illogical and incoherent. Now, can you point out to me which administration in Somalia, whether regional or federal, has achieved true legitimacy by Somalis? Such word does not apply anywhere in Somalia!     topclan @ 4/21/2015 7:29 PM EST  Abdi Khalif Salah " It should have been good if the HOL has protocol of posting the truth about Somalia and its clans rather than using what our old people talk on the cafeteria." Whose truth? What if the truth differs from what you believe. What you are saying is that HOL should only publish articles which support Raskambooni militia but not articles which condemn them. The job of HOL should be to publish articles from both sides and let the public make their own mind. I didn't care for the clan centricity of his article , but Mr Omar has the right to question the legitimacy of Madoobe as Jubbland leader, process of s/electing Jubbaland parliament and the interference of IGAD.     topclan @ 4/21/2015 7:24 PM EST  It doesn't matter which clan they are from if the were elected by the people, there could be no complaint about the process, but when it is based on selection there is a lot of doubt, therefore it should have been transparent to ensure that the process has not been corrupted. The accusation that Ahmed Madoobe has selected the Jubbaland MPs and fill them with his clan has lots of legs. You let one man run the process of selecting MPs, why are we surprised he picks most MPs from his clan.     topclan @ 4/21/2015 7:16 PM EST  "The fact is that, the international community is present in Kismayo; the Federal government is present and closely works with the administration." This guy is hilarious! The IC(IGAD) means legitimate???? The IC's(IGAD) presence in Kismayo gives legitimacy to Ahmed Madoobe? The SFG signed a deal with Ahmed Madoobe that was brokered by the IC in Ethiopia, it doesn't have any influence in Kismayo, it was denied enterance into Kismayo by Kenyan troops who are the real power there and the SFG is still doesn't have control of its national assets such as sea and airport in Kismayo. The SFG has been marginalised in the formation of SW and especially Jubbaland. It has been reduced to nothing but stamper who approves what IGAD and others have cooked up. The SFG has to go Ethiopia to get Ahmed Madoobe to do what it wants because they and Kenya are ones who put him in power and keeping him there. The SFG is not great but it has more legitimacy than IGAD, Ahmed Madoobe and Shariif Sakiin. "Does Mr. Omar know how the clans reside in the districts represented by the Jubbaland State?" Are you saying that representatives of districts in Jubbaland were not selected based on who are majority in each district? It seems what you are saying is that they just selected whoever they wanted rather than the clans that actually are the majority in each district. Why are you trying to pretend this is not clan based? It is clan based except they are formally representing a district not their clan, and it is not inclusive or fair. Does Ahmed Madoobe, IGAD or you? "Yes they received 21 Mps, and yes the Marehans received 19 Mps, but do you know the proportional land and district representation of the region?" If no one knows  the proportional land and district representation of the region then how were they selected? And how come these Ogaden and Marehan clans got so mcuh more than other clans? Was this just coincidence? It doesn't matter which clan they are from if the were elected by the people, there could be no complaint about the process, but when it is based on selection there is a lot of doubt, therefore it should have been transparent to ensure that the process has been corrupted. The accusation that Ahmed Madoobe has selected the Jubbaland MPs from his clan has lots of legs. You let one man run the process of selecting MPs, why are we surprised he picks most MPs from his clan.     topclan @ 4/21/2015 6:42 PM EST  "I h4te to defend any particular administration, as our nation needs our exclusive service and support at this time, but I cannot let such a baseless accusations and misrepresentation of the will of the people to be spread around." Well, why then have you chosen to defend this particular administration that has never had any legitimacy ? The will of the people? Really??? You expect us to believe the people hand picked by Madoobe with help of IGAD and Kenyan troops is the will of the people? Every clan claims their claim is the only one that is valid and others claims are baseless and misrepresentation. You can't deny the people their rights and say their grievacce are false. What I and many people want to know is who gave Ahmed Madoobe and IGAD the right to decide who should be in Jubbaland parliament and how many seats each clan should get? Your whole claim is based on your believe that you know more about the demograph of Jubbaland than Mr Omar, but he and many more people disagree with you. "Now, that we have fully understood that Mr. Omar’s claim was baseless" Yes, indeed we do understand that since from the begining that Ahmed Madoobe's administration has been bogus: The self coronation conference which declared him president, the blocking by Kenyan forces of SFG and parliament from getting into Kismayo, he has failed to implement the Addidas agreement which created IJA, the decietful peace deal between him and Barre Hiiraale which was a trick to disarm him and so on. When the process is so rotten, we don't need to guess that the outcome is going to be rotten too. "the administration, the elders, and the international community ensured a true representation of each clan in the region. " We know who the administration (Ahmed Madoobe and Raskabooni) and IC (IGAD) are, but we don't know who these elders you are referring to are but many either boycotted the Madoobe conference, left in the middle of it or condemned the outcome. What the people of Jubbaland want is a conference that is independent of Madoobe, not interefered with by IGAD and held in some place where there are no Kenyan troops and Raskambooni militia intimidating the people. "the president awarded the ten Mps allocated for his discretion to nominate to the most under represented clans including: " Who made him president and who s/elected him? You are just going to sidestep questions about his legitimacy? How can an unelected and illegitimate man have the right nominate? This is what you call justice? This pretence of generosity is nothing but window shopping because he knows very well he was going to rob the most of seats anyway. "I would also like to remind him that the Federal Parliament was based on a clan rather than constituency." What is this nonsense you are on about. Of course the federal parliament and government are based on 4.5, but he did not say he was advocating for the same thing to happen in Jubbaland. That was the only way to stop the constant war but every body know it is a long term solution I feel that perhaps a similar thing happen in regional governments until there is proper census. If all the regions have equal representatives they could make decisions based on consensus and working together. Some people don't want equality even if they are outnumbered, they are only be happy if they take major of seats.     abdi mashkuur @ 4/21/2015 8:18 AM EST  Land Robbery,Clan expansion,Injustice,Discrimination,Inequality, WHAT A LOAD OF NONSENSE. Here is my take of this discussion, A dead man is Found,People asked what happened,who killed hin(as spectators always do0, his family arrived and begin to quarrel about his clothes, others say let us take him to hospital, others still say why don't we call a doctor to check his pulses as there might be life hiding somewhere, and one person said shouldn't you be giving him a decent burial after all he is dead. In medical school doctors are trained Anatomy,Phsiology and then Medicine, if the order is reversed, it is imposible to decipher the subject. So for the main Argument shouldn't people concentrate the security and stability before anything else, or are we devoid of long term memory? It takes only one person fire a flame and the chorus of claims and counter-claims are lit like a wild fire. The old Somalis built the nation with give and take when they even didn't know how much land there is, who is where and who is who. Today tradition is abused, intellect mis-used and ONE WANTS TO RUN BEFORE ONE CAN LEARN TO CRAWL.     Nuunow @ 4/21/2015 2:32 AM EST   "I would respectfully advise you to refrain from such practices to divide Somalis. We are in a turning point to reclaim our nation, excel our causes, and defend our sovereignty." Let this be advise to all Somalis, especially to those who see everything through clan lens.     Nuunow @ 4/21/2015 2:27 AM EST   Isaac Muhammed, A very civilized, educational and thoughtful response indeed. Well done!     sacomaale @ 4/20/2015 10:02 PM EST  Don't worry Isaac Muhammad. Goor ay tahayba marka doorasho xalaal ahi dhacdo, dhul sheegasho dambe ma jirayso. Dadk meesha degan ayaa u soo haraaya.

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